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Here's to hoping that DOS will be better than AUJ...
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Jul 18 2013, 4:45am

Post #76 of 80 (208 views)
Worse than the stone giants... [In reply to] Can't Post

Was the White Council scene, in my opinion. I had to get up and go outside the first time I saw it in the theater because otherwise I was going to ruin it for everyone by complaining LOUDLY through the whole thing. Before seeing the film I too had thought that would be a great way to flesh out the story, but it was so altered and poorly executed that it took me four more viewings before I could sit down and watch the whole scene without climbing out of my skin. And still what aggravates me the most is how Galadriel & Gandalf's pointless telepathic conversation drowned out Saruman in mid-sentence, after I'd been so looking forward to seeing him again!

And I mostly like AUJ. But that scene almost ruined it for me. Then again I'm always harsh on these films when I see them for the first couple of times because I have a firmly ingrained idea of what's supposed to happen. Usually my opinion softens after repeated viewings, but that's more due to the cast and the scenery than acceptance of changes that completely alter the storyline.


Jul 18 2013, 12:44pm

Post #77 of 80 (174 views)
book and movie [In reply to] Can't Post

Come now Elenial, many of the complaints expressed on this board are really about how the movie differs from the book, especially in tone, plot, and characterizations. There are also criticisms of the movie as a movie but its pretty obvious that almost everybody who posts here is a fan of the books and/or the LotR trilogy and that inevitably colours all our views.

The trouble with being so familiar with the books is that it creates certain expectations and when favourite scenes or characters are different than imagined or expected, it can be irksome, as Angelclaw describes.

But my point was about how I, a lover of the book, am able to enjoy the movie and how I can let go of my preconceptions and enjoy the ride. I get that it doesn't work for other people.

Tol Eressea

Jul 18 2013, 6:09pm

Post #78 of 80 (171 views)
My point was that when someone complains about how PJ handled a scene [In reply to] Can't Post

 it is often met with claims that the dissenters simply want the book filmed word for word, with nothing added. That is simply not the case for me at least, and for many others that I have read. Which is why my later post was qualifying that very point. It is not the fact that PJ has added material, but the quality and handling of that material. that causes a lot of the "disappointment."

"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Victoria Monfort

(This post was edited by Eleniel on Jul 18 2013, 6:10pm)


Jul 19 2013, 3:32am

Post #79 of 80 (133 views)
My sentiments exactly [In reply to] Can't Post

I can handle some of the changes - for instance the troll scene, I get why PJ made Bilbo the one to get the trolls arguing rather than Gandalf because he's trying to show how the Dwarves come to accept Bilbo. It's a minor scene and doesn't alter the overall plot, so after getting past my initial complaints (OMG that's not how it's supposed to happen!!) I'm cool with it.

Same thing with the barrel scene in DOS, which I have defended elsewhere. I can appreciate small alterations to the story that actually work better in a film context than the original material would have, but when they start messing with the timeline and changing key plot elements (like the White Council) that's when I turn into a hardcore, raging purist Mad

But that's just me. Everyone has their threshold for what they will and won't accept, and IMO it doesn't make anyone the "bad guy" but rather speaks to how Tolkien's works touch each of us in our own way.


Jul 19 2013, 3:46pm

Post #80 of 80 (128 views)
you are so damn right [In reply to] Can't Post

"Many of us were more than happy to have "extras" to the book and very excited about the DG storyline/Dwarf history, etc., - all the usable stuff from The Appendices.,....

...until it turned out that actually the basic ingredients were being taken out and beaten to within an inch of their lives, and a whole batch of other ingredients were being substituted, along with various flavourings to enhance the recipe!"

i'm with you 100 %

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