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Wonderfully stated AinurOlorin


Jul 14 2013, 3:32pm

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but, absent that, Durin's folk were generally good people (some of the other Dwarven houses less so). Above all the cherished their fathers and father figures, especially the kings.

Khazad-Dum was their truest homeland, but reclaiming that was beyond hope whilst The Bane of Durin held it against them. Vengeance (almost as improbable and impractical against a great dragon as against a great Maiar Demon, save for great luck and fortune) certainly drove Thorin. That is stated in the appendices. He wanted the gold, but I don't think that reclaiming his home was a small matter to him, even with the gold aside.

There was virtually no hope for gold in Moria, and a certainty of great loss of life, but the Dwarves went to war on all the orcs of The Misty mountains in grievance over the murder and maiming of Thror. And after Thrain still wanted to reclaim Moria. It was a non-starter. Dain had glimpsed The Balrog waiting for more of Durin's heirs just beyond the gate, and knew that entering was a fool's errand, but the desire remained, and that was not merely a desire for treasure.

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You make a good point. I believe the movie is presenting Smaug as having seized Erebor for the treasure, the space itself being incidental. But to the Dwarves, Erebor is their homeland, and they want to recover that, with the treasure being secondary (except for the Arkenstone, which is of immense value to Thorin).

Tolkien's Dwarves were actually a good deal more venal than this, especially Thorin. Thorin is getting the Boromir treatment IMO (i.e., a noble, sympathetic character with a weakness).

Indeed there is the possession of gold, and treasure (mitigated by Rings, absolutely) - but the Dwarven connection to their ancient halls, where their fathers lay until they were awoken, cannot be underestimated. As you say, to take on the enemies that they did assigns the critical importance to the Dwarves of driving their foes from their dwelling and reclaiming them. I don't think any Dwarf except Gimli felt happy anywhere else but where they 'belonged.'

Coming soon!- The first TORn Amateur Symposium, starts Sunday 21st July in the Reading Room. Closing date for essay submission Sunday 14th July, but even if you don't submit, join us for some interesting discussion on some different and personal ways of looking at Tolkien's work.

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Premise of The Hobbit. Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury Jul 13 2013, 8:22pm
    Different motives Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 14 2013, 2:23am
        I was musing Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury Jul 14 2013, 3:06am
        They were especially venal under the influence of Great Rings and Dragon Sickness, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jul 14 2013, 9:49am
            Wonderfully stated AinurOlorin Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 14 2013, 3:32pm


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