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Earandil and the Sea

Brethil
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Jul 17 2013, 11:35am


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I would lean toward Ulmo as the source also since he was the grand architect of both Nargothrond and Gondolin and intended both of them to be non-permanent refuges to preserve what he could of the Noldor until help could come from Valinor. He certainly issued warnings to both of them to evacuate, and had originally told them to not fall in love with them but rather trust to succor from West and Sea. For those reasons, I think he inspired Huor to foresee his grandson.

But there are reasons to suspect Eru. Aragorn's grandparents had foresight about his father's short life and the epic role Aragorn was destined to play. Within The Sil, Feanor had foresight upon his death that Morgoth couldn't be beaten--that certainly couldn't be traced to Ulmo. I think Eru plays a hand here and there. With Earendil? Just don't know. Somehow, especially since Earendil was forever associated with the Sea, I get the feeling that Ulmo was his "creator." That, and I think he sent Tuor to Gondolin to be the father of Earendil the Savior who could petition the Valar on behalf of Elves and Edain,




Love your point there - Earandil is forever associated with the sea, was always a restless sailor (and that sailor archetype is very important to JRRT)...I do see Ulmo as the grand conductor - so I am inclined that way too, maybe a bit more than Eru directly. It seems like this whole segment of Middle Earth history was Ulmo's pet project, and how he chose to live and be involved with Arda.

Coming soon!- The first TORn Amateur Symposium, starts Sunday 21st July in the Reading Room. Closing date for essay submission Sunday 14th July, but even if you don't submit, join us for some interesting discussion on some different and personal ways of looking at Tolkien's work.






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Silmarillion discussion schedule chapter 20 Nirnaeth Arnoediad part two Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Jul 12 2013, 11:21pm
    I like the bit about the dwarves… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 13 2013, 4:45pm
        Azaghal's loss Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 13 2013, 5:21pm
            Also, the dragon fight gives "hot dwarves" a different meaning noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 14 2013, 4:25pm
                You are quite right as usual!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 14 2013, 4:28pm
                    Hmm, it's so hot that there's a lot of melting chocolate around here!!// elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jul 14 2013, 5:30pm
                        One of the best things for chocolate to do! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 14 2013, 7:28pm
    Gelmir Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 13 2013, 5:40pm
        Gwindor and Fingon Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 13 2013, 6:25pm
            Wonderful Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 14 2013, 5:38pm
            Great connection on the banners. Sad too. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 14 2013, 10:10pm
                It is sad - Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 14 2013, 11:46pm
        Huor's insight Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 14 2013, 12:50am
            Such a beautiful passage Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 14 2013, 5:59pm
                So much prophesy about Earandil Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 14 2013, 7:52pm
                    Huor's prophecy CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 17 2013, 11:22am
                        Earandil and the Sea Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 17 2013, 11:35am
    The Battle rages Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 13 2013, 6:19pm
    The good guys, always outnumbered... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 14 2013, 4:39pm
    The all-or-nothing battle CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 14 2013, 10:30pm

 
 
 

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