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Will Saruman will be a deciding factor in the assault on Dol Guldur?
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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jul 4 2013, 6:55pm

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How Far [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not the type to be swayed by uncertainty.

Realist attitudes seldom mix well with fantasy fandom even if we both enjoy the story.

Tongue


MorgolKing
Rivendell

Jul 4 2013, 7:01pm

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Sounds pretty straight forward, Saruman will be involved somehow in the battle -- which I am very happy to hear!


Salmacis81
Grey Havens


Jul 4 2013, 7:09pm

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I just don't see it as such a far stretch... [In reply to] Can't Post

to surmise that Saruman could play the decisive role in the assault like he did in the books, whether it be him or his "devices". I agree that he probably will not, but I would chalk that up to Jackson wanting to let Gandalf take the lead rather than the impossibility of the scenario.


(This post was edited by Salmacis81 on Jul 4 2013, 7:13pm)


Salmacis81
Grey Havens


Jul 4 2013, 7:15pm

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So it looks like he won't be sitting the battle out after all.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 4 2013, 11:07pm

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I had hoped that Saruman would get a "hero" moment at Dol Guldur, thus making his turn in FotR [In reply to] Can't Post

all the more shocking for Gandalf...and future audiences watching the films in order.

More than that, IMO it would work to have Saruman's experiencing Sauron's power firsthand be what partially drives him to ally with him - he did state that none could contend with the will of Sauron.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jul 4 2013, 11:08pm)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jul 5 2013, 2:00am

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Saruman desired the attack on Dol Guldur once he discovered Sauron was searching The Anduin [In reply to] Can't Post

He grew fearful, and desired to deny Sauron access to the river.

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Saruman is being portrayed as something of an arrogant jerk in AUJ,



He was an arrogant jerk in FOTR as well as in the books aloof and very condescending to Gandalf from LOTR - "Radagast the Brown! ... Radagast the Bird-tamer! Radagast the Simple! Radagast the Fool! Yet he had just the wit to play the part that I set him."

In the Silmarillion it says that Saruman used Radaghast to help him search for the Ring in the Gladden Fields, and in the appendices of th LOTR it clearly says at the time of the Attack on Dol Guldur Saruman was already obsessing on the One Ring which is why he tried to block the attack initially.

When irrefutable evidence of the Necromancer being Sauron was presented, he could no longer stand in the way of the White Council and relented or risk having his true motivations revealed. He was already using the Palantir for many years by this point, so it was more than likely his betrayal via the Palantir which allowed Sauron to escape. That was OK, because now he could search inimpeded by Sauron even though it was found centuries earlier. All that is canon and mostly found in the LOTR appendices, thus fair game for PJ to use.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


KingTurgon
Rohan


Jul 14 2013, 12:33am

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I really hate it when people take jabs at the Star Wars prequels like its the "cool" thing to do. You think you could have made those movies better than George? Give me a break.


KingTurgon
Rohan


Jul 14 2013, 12:38am

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I don't think it's far-fetched at all to think that Saruman can participate as much as Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel in the fight scenes. Episode III was filmed not that long ago and Lee's character had a pretty intense fight scene. If you are using a stunt double then 4 days is easily enough time to get enough shots of both Lee's dialogue and face to put in the film.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jul 14 2013, 6:11am

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You think you could have made those movies better than George? Give me a break.

In other words, only directors who have the resources to make movies can criticize them? Give ME a break.


stoutfiles
Rohan


Jul 14 2013, 11:29pm

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The cool thing to do? [In reply to] Can't Post

It's universally agreed upon the prequel films were worse than the original trilogy, and were reviewed poorly both back then and now. But hey, whatever you want to believe is fine too!

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