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FOTR and AUJ Continuation error?

nhui06
Rivendell

Jul 3 2013, 5:52pm

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FOTR and AUJ Continuation error? Can't Post

I was re-watching my FOTR EE Blu Ray the other day, and noticed old Bilbo was looking for Frodo as he was doing his introduction, saying something like "where is that boy?" before we go to our first scene with frodo sitting by a tree waiting for Gandalf. However, in AUJ, didn't Frodo tell Bilbo that he was going off to surprise Gandalf? Why would Biblo be asking where Frodo is then (unless he has amnesia)....


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Jul 3 2013, 6:04pm

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

''I'm old, Gandalf. I know I don't look it, but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart''...and head ;)

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''

(This post was edited by Ereinion Nénharma on Jul 3 2013, 6:04pm)


Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Jul 3 2013, 6:24pm

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I think they've established his failing memory pretty well [In reply to] Can't Post

He forgot it was his own birthday, after all!

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Imladris18
Lorien

Jul 3 2013, 7:56pm

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I caught this as well. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I was re-watching my FOTR EE Blu Ray the other day, and noticed old Bilbo was looking for Frodo as he was doing his introduction, saying something like "where is that boy?" before we go to our first scene with frodo sitting by a tree waiting for Gandalf. However, in AUJ, didn't Frodo tell Bilbo that he was going off to surprise Gandalf? Why would Biblo be asking where Frodo is then (unless he has amnesia)....


I think Aitieuriskon nailed it, though.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jul 3 2013, 8:06pm

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Continuity [In reply to] Can't Post

The word you're looking for is 'continuity.'

It's easily rationalized by assuming that Bilbo is so busy with planning, he can't even remember talking to Frodo not all that long ago. Frodo did say to Gandalf, "You're late!" So it wasn't just a few minutes. It was a lot of minutes. Maybe a couple of hours. Maybe more. Maybe Bilbo expected Frodo back by then, so he was really speaking to Gandalf's lateness if they both expected Gandalf sooner.

I will admit this is pure rationalization. It could also be that Jackson, Boyens, Walsh and del Toro all don't consider things too well, or don't care, when they write such stuff so long as it suits the movie at hand.


Welsh hero
Gondor


Jul 3 2013, 8:15pm

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Gandalf was late........ [In reply to] Can't Post

Ok he wasn't late nor was he early he arrived exactly when he meant to........

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Mooseboy018
Gondor


Jul 3 2013, 9:10pm

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feeling stretched [In reply to] Can't Post

And he misplaced the Ring too, of all things.


Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Jul 3 2013, 9:56pm

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Why thank you [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile I do understand the OP's sentiment, though. I think there is a slight discrepancy between Bilbo's forgetfulness in FotR (which pertained mostly to the ring) and that in AUJ (where it has extended to encompass pretty much everything except writing his book).

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951


xxxyyy
Rohan

Jul 4 2013, 1:43am

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About PJ, FW and PB, if that's true, that's disheartening... but I'll wait the EE of AUJ. [In reply to] Can't Post

AUJ + FOTR (theatrical) = no continuoty errors
AUJ EE + FOTR EE = who knows...

I'll just have faith in the trinity.

Or we'll have to wait for a FIXED super EE of the esalogy.
Just remove that Bilbo's sentence/scene and we are fine.

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Silverlode
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Jul 4 2013, 1:49am

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We had some discussion on this [In reply to] Can't Post

a few months back and there were several theories about it. You can read everyone's speculations and explanations here.

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jul 4 2013, 1:59am

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A or B [In reply to] Can't Post

I prefer 'A,' my fan rationalization. And I think it's reasonable.

I only include 'B,' my cynical speculation, to have something to offer for everyone - the optimist or the pessimist - and because it's possible, coming on the heels of feminine energy and Azog and what that's done to the historical truth of Middle-earth.


LordotRings93
Rohan


Jul 4 2013, 2:23am

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In truth.. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's because PJ and crew probably overlooked the FOTR EE opening and made a mistake. I find it a tad funny that some are coming up with "in-universe" explanations as to why, but in truth, PJ probably just overlooked it. As Gandalf said "An easy thing to miss." Not everyone's perfect, so...

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stoutfiles
Rohan


Jul 4 2013, 3:16am

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo's hair changed. And Frodo got younger.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jul 4 2013, 5:11am

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Missing It [In reply to] Can't Post

I believe it to be nearly impossible for three and a half intelligent writers to miss something like that. How does that stipulation speak to your opinion of the writers? Any excuse that they all forgot may be just as overly forgiving as in-universe explanations.


Escapist
Gondor


Jul 4 2013, 5:15am

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"Where is that boy ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I expected him to be back by now!

... wasn't he just headed down the lane?

... is he coming soon - like any minute now?

etc.

Of course it could also be

... I have no idea where he is at all!


Starling
Half-elven


Jul 4 2013, 5:51am

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Exactly [In reply to] Can't Post

I have never thought of it as a continuity error, because I don't take that line exactly at face value.
I can say, "Where is such and such?" at work, for example, and it doesn't mean I have completely forgotten, or have no idea where they are, it just means I don't know exactly where they are right at that moment, or exactly when they are coming back.
Or, it could mean, "They should be here by now," or quite a few different things.


glor
Rohan

Jul 4 2013, 12:05pm

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Correct: Where is that boy! [In reply to] Can't Post

your first answer.

Where is that boy ! is common expression in England at least, that means why is he taking so long, it doesn't literally mean, where is he, I haven't a clue where he is, it means what's taking him so long, he should be between point a and b. It is an expression of exasperation.


Na Vedui
Rohan


Jul 4 2013, 7:52pm

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Where he was [In reply to] Can't Post

Probably the first. Wasn't Frodo sitting under a tree reading a book before Gandalf turned up? Looks like he had a long wait and Gandalf really was a good deal later than Frodo and Bilbo had expected.


Salmacis81
Grey Havens


Jul 4 2013, 8:15pm

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You mean like the way he over-looked Old Bilbo's hair-do? [In reply to] Can't Post

Seriously, I thought old Bilbo in the prologue looked completely different than the Bilbo in the LOTR films.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jul 5 2013, 5:25pm

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hmm [In reply to] Can't Post

I never noticed, but now I'm going to notice. You ruined it for me! Laugh

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