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BOFA, how will it turn out?


Jun 30 2013, 2:24pm

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BOFA, how will it turn out? Can't Post

Since i was a little kid i always imagined the BOFA as a battle in a gap, where hills surrounds a area where the "good" army stands and that the Goblin/orc army swarms over the hills and they (Humans/elves/dwarfs) are trapped in the middle.

Do you think it will be like this? i know that there are no muntains around since it is "the lonely mountain" but at least hills? like the one Thranduil stands on in the flashback in AUJ. That would be sweet.

And how do you think the arrival of Beorn will be like? fírst in human form then turn into the big ass bear?

give me your thoughts :)

" Why, O people of Noldor! Fëanor cried. Why should we longer serve the jealous Valar, who cannot keep us nor even their own realm secure from their enemy? And though he be now their foe, are not they and he of one kin? Vengence calls me hence, but even were it otherwise I would not dwell longer in the same land with the kin of my father's slayer and of the thief of treasure. Yet i am not the only valiant in this valiant people. And have ye not all lost your King? And what else have ye not lost, cooped here in a narrow land between the mountains and the sea? Here once was light, that the Valar begrudged to middle-earth, but now dark levels all. Shall we mourn here deedless forever, a shadow-folk, mist-haunting, dropping vain tears in the thankless sea? Or shall we return to our home? In cuiviènen sweet ran the waters under uncloaded stars, and wide lands lay about, where a free people might walk. There they lie still and await us who in out folly forsook them. Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!"

(This post was edited by DuBekar on Jun 30 2013, 2:26pm)


Jun 30 2013, 2:47pm

Post #2 of 9 (488 views)
I think this is why we'll see Beorn in bear form in DoS [In reply to] Can't Post

Although it may ruin the reveal, if the first we see as Beorn as a bear is his dramatic arrival at BOFA, then many non-book readers I'm sure will be wondering who on earth this individual is. It may be explained, but they'd probably need to have seen it to establish a link. If PJ does this, then surely Beorn can simply arrive in bear-form at the battle, rather than initially in human form, which might be odd. If seeing him fleetingly as a bear in DoS allows this to happen in BOFA, then I'm okay with that.

Tol Eressea

Jun 30 2013, 6:12pm

Post #3 of 9 (342 views)
although in the book... [In reply to] Can't Post

they see him in bear form as he protects them on their way to Mirkwood.

take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!

The Mitch King

Jun 30 2013, 6:47pm

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How I viewed the battle [In reply to] Can't Post

I always pictured there was chaos all over. Fighting in front of the gate, on the base of the mountain and even inside Erebor a little. I really hope it is all over! I think there is a lot of potential though if they have Thorin's company fighting in the inside of their home!


I think Beorn will be on the edge of the battle as a man watching and then spot Bolg in the distance(maybe while he is killing Thorin) and we will see him fighting through orcs AND changing form at the same time so that when he gets to Bolg he will be ticked off and enormous!


Jun 30 2013, 6:57pm

Post #5 of 9 (296 views)
True [In reply to] Can't Post

But they might have to make the link more explicit for general audiences.


Jul 1 2013, 3:41am

Post #6 of 9 (209 views)
Beorn. [In reply to] Can't Post

Beorn could be an interesting character in DoS. I wonder if we'll see
him in his humanoid form. I can't remember if there is anything peculiar
to his form, other than maybe his size. I can't remember though. Anyhow,
I think it could be helpful to see Beorn's human countenance in DoS.
This recognition of Beorn's humanity could lend itself to his introduction in
BoFA. It will be a while since the audience will have seen him. Maybe Beorn
will randomly appear on the outskirts of hte battle as a mere man, but we've
seen him before and know him as Beorn. Shouldn't he be in bear form? yup...

Anyhow, I can generally conceive the good fortune of the initial part of the battle. Thranduil
occupies one part of the height and Bard the other side, with Dain in the center. Thranduil
'maybe watches within his guard the tumult below. The battle goes the alliance's way but then
terrible screams and raucous din comes from the flanks of the mountain, descending the slopes in
a great swarm. Thranduil turns his head from the valley below toward the direction of the mountain flanks.
Bard does the same. Thranduil's gaze is severe and knows that he and his personal guards and all
hands will be needed to repel this horde. Thranduil gets nasty on the ridges overlooking the battle. The Men
on the otherside are hard pressed as well. And of course, in the valley below we have elves, men, and Dain and his
Dwarves in the thick of the engagement. Have they yet noticed the peril on their flanks on the ridges above? Perhaps but
they are hard-pressed themselves by inexhaustible enemy reserves. The center is formidable but no reinforcements from
the flanks can avail the middle and it starts to flounder. Bilbo watching from the mountain tops disengages from
his vantage, drooping his shoulders and sighing as the 'good fight' seemingly goes the other way. Then a roaring
sound in the valley as the gate barricade comes crashing down...

I wonder how these scenes will play. I think it will be difficult to bring them to screen, actually. I
really don't know how it can be done with all these characters. But I guess that's what the production
endeavors to accomplish...good luck to them Sly


Jul 1 2013, 3:54am

Post #7 of 9 (191 views)
Don't forget [In reply to] Can't Post

Until Gandalf utters his "Behold Bolg of the North is upon you .... " line the elves and dwarves nearly come to blows.

I think the bats will come in duing a snow storm and darken the skies for the goblins who attack first with warg riders followed by the bulk of the goblin horde. Bolg will stay back with his bodyguard and attack when the goblins flank the elves and dwarves from the back of the mountain which will coincide with Thorins attack and culminating with Beorn and the eagles.

“I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”


Jul 1 2013, 2:35pm

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Thorin and Company's entrance [In reply to] Can't Post

I always pictured the entry of Thorin and the freshly-armed dwarves into the battle as one of its most dramatic moments. I envisioned the entire front gate of Erebor falling drawbridge-style upon an entire regiment of goblins. The scale of movie-Erebor's gateway is huge: if that came tumbling down it would give the charge of the 13 dwarves a more significant effect upon the tides of battle.

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951


Jul 1 2013, 4:19pm

Post #9 of 9 (106 views)
I wonder mostly... [In reply to] Can't Post

How they are going to storyboard this action. Wide view to narrow personal view at ground level. I'll be very interested to see how they make it seem 'up close and personal' while still giving us the audience the idea of how large scale the action really is. We have some idea of this from PJ's prior efforts, but since there's more green screen, and less set pieces, I wonder how it will look shot by shot. Fascinating.


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