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Jun 30 2013, 12:29am

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My impression is that people who read the books first tend to think of the Eye of Sauron as a construct for the actual Sauron. While people who saw the movies first assume the Eye IS Sauron because it's all they see of him for two movies.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

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Tol Eressea

Jun 30 2013, 1:38am

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Jackson's intention was what we were discussing... [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree that Tolkien most likely never intended for Sauron to be a giant flaming eyeball, and that the "Eye" he wrote about was a metaphor for Sauron's will, rather than a description of his physical state.

The Mitch King

Jun 30 2013, 3:33am

Post #28 of 29 (122 views)
Physical form [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not sure what counts as a physical form? I assume it means an elemental body like in the prologue of FOTR. What about the Nazgul? They technically don't have physical forms right? Put some armor on them and voila they are very much an illusion of physical. So Sauron will be shown as a body shape and maybe even wear armor but not have flesh and blood and thus still be within continuity. To me it is obvious that he can be shown.

Also, this would work regardless if he really was the eye(tranformed after Dol Guldur conflict) and especially it works if he was not the eye.

Doesn't the eye count as "physical" though? A normal human could see it.

(This post was edited by The Mitch King on Jun 30 2013, 3:39am)


Jun 30 2013, 5:53am

Post #29 of 29 (125 views)
In the books [In reply to] Can't Post


Sauron was never physically an eye, the Eye of Sauron is a projection of his will on the minds of others. At least one self proclaimed and published author on the subject of Tolkiens mythology thought the eye was his Third Age physical form. Maybe he should have read a bit more Tolkien before he started writing about his work.

(This post was edited by ElendilTheShort on Jun 30 2013, 5:56am)

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