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Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 23 2013, 6:48am

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How much time elapsed ??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Between Thrain's dissapearance and the end of the battle in Movie canon?


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Eleniel
Grey Havens


Jun 23 2013, 11:20am

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I don't think it's been stated... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's all a bit of a mess, really! The only timescales given in AUJ were Elrond's 400 years of peace and the comment about the dragon not having been seen for 60 years. What with making Thorin look older than he should have been (not that he was actually present!) at the fall of Erebor, and then younger at the start of the Quest, the average audience will have no idea that the story is supposed to play out over a century and a half! Both Azanulbizar and Thrain's disappearance take place after the Fall of Erebor, and that is supposed to be 100 years ago, as Dernwyn reminded us...


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dernwyn
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Jun 23 2013, 12:58pm

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Book timeline: [In reply to] Can't Post

1999 - Thrain I founds the dwarf-kingdom in Erebor
2746 - Thorin is born (he's actually Thorin II)
2770 - Smaug attacks Erebor; Thorin "happened to be outside...from a good way off we saw the dragon settle on our mountain in a spout of flame"
2790 - Thror slain by Azog
2799 - Battle of Azanulbizar
2802 - Thrain (the second) and Thorin settle their people in the Ered Luin
2841 - Thrain wanders off and goes missing
2850 - Gandalf finds Thrain in Dol Guldur
2941 - Bilbo receives some unexpected visitors

So you can see where liberties have been taken with the text - but Thorin was at both events. This poses the quesion, how do Dwarves age?


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Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 24 2013, 3:01am

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So [In reply to] Can't Post


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1999 - Thrain I founds the dwarf-kingdom in Erebor
2746 - Thorin is born (he's actually Thorin II)
2770 - Smaug attacks Erebor; Thorin "happened to be outside...from a good way off we saw the dragon settle on our mountain in a spout of flame"
2790 - Thror slain by Azog
2799 - Battle of Azanulbizar
2802 - Thrain (the second) and Thorin settle their people in the Ered Luin
2841 - Thrain wanders off and goes missing
2850 - Gandalf finds Thrain in Dol Guldur
2941 - Bilbo receives some unexpected visitors

So you can see where liberties have been taken with the text - but Thorin was at both events. This poses the quesion, how do Dwarves age?



It would be very feasable for a chance Gandalf/Thrain meeting at Bree for instance as he makes his way east, similar to or instead of the Thorin/Gandalf chance meeting in Bree just prior to the events of the Hobbit.


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dernwyn
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Jun 24 2013, 10:23am

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Interesting! [In reply to] Can't Post

There would be a chance for that, wouldn't there...with that being where Thrain handed over the map and key, then?


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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Jun 24 2013, 6:37pm

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Perhaps you could be more specific? [In reply to] Can't Post


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There would be a chance for that, wouldn't there...with that being where Thrain handed over the map and key, then?



Where do you mean? The Necromancer doesn't seem to be inhabiting Dol Guldur when Thrain went missing in the film-continuity. It may be more likely that Thrain was taken into Moria instead of Dol Guldur.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Jun 24 2013, 6:39pm)


dernwyn
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Jun 24 2013, 8:54pm

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The problem is [In reply to] Can't Post

the book-timeline versus the movie-timeline. In the book, there's 42 years before Thrain wanders off; in the movie, this happens during the Battle.

So looking at this again, you're right, it does appear more likely for Thrain to have wandered into Moria than gone East in the movie. I wonder if the EE will have any further explanation...


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Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 25 2013, 1:15pm

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Ok [In reply to] Can't Post

Thats what i was trying to clarify ... That Thain wandered off during or immediately after the Battle pf Anulzanzibar(sp)


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