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Saurons eyeball trick

The Shire

Jun 16 2013, 9:18pm

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 Just wondering if PJ will show the Necromancer/Sauron fleeing from Dol Guldor to his fortress in Mordor and then his transference from the floating apparition in AUJ into the giant Eyeball we see him as in LOTR. Twould be a cool thingy to see indeed and would help to connect the two film series or am i hoping for too much, as usual.

Superuser / Moderator

Jun 16 2013, 9:26pm

Post #2 of 21 (445 views)
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You subject line made me think of Sauron popping his eyeball in and out of its socket as a party trick. *shudder*

As for the flaming eye, I don't believe that was him in the film; rather, it was a construction of his, an artefact, to reinforce to his subjects that he sees all and also (possibly) enhance his ability to see clearly within his own lands. Sauron is happily ensconced within Barad-dur, having mani-pedis and frightening the staff while keeping a psychic 'eye' on what's happening around him.

And I really hope we don't see the flaming eye make an appearance in TABA - that would be too much of a "look, we're connecting the trilogies!!" moment.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

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Jun 16 2013, 9:26pm

Post #3 of 21 (415 views)
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i can see a, evil guys dead, hes not really dead, scene without a doubt. bit of a cliche, but you cannot deny sauron will be back! kinda takes the fun out of killing him really.
but how does a lidless eye open?

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(This post was edited by jimmyfenn on Jun 16 2013, 9:27pm)

Old Toby
Grey Havens

Jun 16 2013, 10:55pm

Post #4 of 21 (344 views)
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This so begs a Monty Pythonesque short film unto itself!! Sauron and His Flaming Eyeball!! Tongue

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)

(This post was edited by Old Toby on Jun 16 2013, 10:56pm)


Jun 17 2013, 4:40am

Post #5 of 21 (242 views)
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I don't think we should see anything like that but we probably will. I think they can tease his return without showing him again here was something I had in mind after they kill the Necromancer

A great dark cloud grows and takes shape flickering with fire and crowned with lightning stretching a vast hand over them all. But suddenly it is blown away towards the east. a hush falls and the light grows Elrond gasps

He's gone

Galadriel shakes her head and calmly replies

For now

Grey Havens

Jun 17 2013, 8:56am

Post #6 of 21 (271 views)
New image of Sauron in Barad-Dur: [In reply to] Can't Post

Complete with the Lidless Eye, and a Fell Beastie swooping just below the Eye. Note the army massed inside the walls of Mordor, waiting to attack. And Orodruin spewing lava in the near right corner. Fell Beastie detail below the full picture.


Jun 17 2013, 9:01am

Post #7 of 21 (201 views)
Wow! That's a real scoop [In reply to] Can't Post

It should be on the home page really. Cool
That fell beast totally freaked me out!
And did I spot an oliphaunt?

Grey Havens

Jun 17 2013, 9:20am

Post #8 of 21 (185 views)
Hot off the press, as it were. [In reply to] Can't Post

Yup, a bright yellow oliphaunt. I hear they're particularly fearsome. Note the highly-trained attack salamanders, too. Not to mention the vicious lizard, camel, and some zebras. Who knew Sauron had such creatures at his disposal!


Jun 17 2013, 9:32am

Post #9 of 21 (176 views)
Attack salamanders! [In reply to] Can't Post

Servants of the dark lord indeed. Shocked

The Shire

Jun 17 2013, 2:22pm

Post #10 of 21 (151 views)
Kill the Necromancer? [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't believe they kill the Necromancer, he just decides to make tracks back to Barad Dur when it looks like he is losing the battle with the White Council which makes him either a clever strategist or a bit of a coward or possibly both.

Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Jun 17 2013, 2:33pm

Post #11 of 21 (149 views)
Sauron Giant shaped Storm ending likeROTK book [In reply to] Can't Post

I can see theNecro(who will have abody in the movies,quite for sure) getting kiled and a dark stormy cloud with Sauron´s shape rising against the withecouncil and then fading with the wind,but leading towards Mordor, beyond the sight of our heros and there covering that land. I guess the flaming of the eye will take place inside that cloud, but that would lay for the imagination of the viewers.

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Old Toby
Grey Havens

Jun 17 2013, 3:15pm

Post #12 of 21 (122 views)
Sauron's Zoo! [In reply to] Can't Post

This is too precious! Never underestimate the Dark Lord's diabolical ability to turn all creatures great and small to the Dark Side! He probably, out of sheer orneriness, turned the zebra's black stripes to white and white stripes to black! And the unhorsed Nazgul could then use the fearsome attack salamanders as mounts. The possibilities are endless.

Thanks Ro, this was a most entertaining diversion!

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


Jun 17 2013, 4:20pm

Post #13 of 21 (119 views)
Correct. [In reply to] Can't Post

Sauron feigns (Tolkien's word) defeat and makes tracks back to Mordor. So we could see something like what's been suggested with the re-establishment of the flaming eye.

The Shire

Jun 17 2013, 4:35pm

Post #14 of 21 (117 views)
Haha.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Funny that I had the same sentiment exactly a month ago. .



Jun 17 2013, 7:46pm

Post #15 of 21 (87 views)
Barad-dur [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
Sauron feigns (Tolkien's word) defeat and makes tracks back to Mordor. So we could see something like what's been suggested with the re-establishment of the flaming eye.

Well, the Flaming Eye shouldn't reappear for about 10 years--not that Peter Jackson has shown any respect for timelines.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

Kangi Ska

Jun 17 2013, 8:31pm

Post #16 of 21 (88 views)
Ataahua I am with you [In reply to] Can't Post

at least on the fact that the Great Eye was not Sauron himself. Indeed it was a projected manifestation of his power. The Ever Watchful All-seeing Lidless Eye.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Jun 17 2013, 8:32pm)

Tol Eressea

Jun 17 2013, 8:34pm

Post #17 of 21 (84 views)
Thing is [In reply to] Can't Post

many people believed Sauron was that Eye. And found it a bit...ridiculous.

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Jun 17 2013, 9:00pm

Post #18 of 21 (73 views)
what I meant was [In reply to] Can't Post

I always assumed the Necromancer was just a man that dabbled in the dark arts and got possessed by Sauron. so they wouldn't really kill him just his host body

Forum Admin / Moderator

Jun 17 2013, 9:33pm

Post #19 of 21 (76 views)
It would be.... [In reply to] Can't Post

If it were true. There is an opportunity here to clear up that misconception, depending on how they choose to wrap up the Necromancer storyline. If they do show the Eye I hope they do it in such a way as to remove that interpretation.


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Tol Eressea

Jun 17 2013, 10:29pm

Post #20 of 21 (62 views)
I think such an interpretation [In reply to] Can't Post

could have been dealt with in the appropriate place ie The Lotr films, more than a decade ago.

Better late than ever , and if they explain that, somehow, with the Dol Guldur storyline, then it could clarify those doubts.

Not that the people who thought about it at the time, consider it an unnervingly unanswered mystery Angelic

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Ziggy Stardust

Jun 18 2013, 1:02am

Post #21 of 21 (66 views)
What Ataahua said [In reply to] Can't Post

The Red Eye was an artifact or device of Sauron's, at least in the novels. I read on Tuckborugh, that according to one of the Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, Sauron was actually a tall man in black. I don't own The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, but Tuckborough.net references it.
And I think in The Return of the King, (the book) there is a scene that describes Sauron sitting in his tower. And Gollum in The Two Towers said he saw Sauron, and said "He had nine fingers, and that was enough."

(This post was edited by Ziggy Stardust on Jun 18 2013, 1:05am)


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