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Of the Coming of Men into the West, III: "Weariness which they knew not in themselves".
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Jul 3 2013, 7:09pm

Post #26 of 28 (72 views)
Now there is an understatement! [In reply to] Can't Post

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I would love to get to Voronwë's critique of the published Silmarillion for the omission of female characters – but that couldn't be done in a short space.
So I won't. This requires a long discussion, or none. Voronwe did receive some heat for this conclusion.

Yes indeed, more than some. By far the controversial portion of the book, although I stand by my statements. I certainly would be interested to see what people have to say about this, though I agree that it would require a long discussion, or none.

And while I don't at all consider your discussion of this chapter a failure (far from it!), I completely understand why you do so. It is frustrating to have certain goals and not be able to meet them because of unavoidable time constraints. You and your family have been in my thoughts and prayers.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Jul 4 2013, 2:30pm

Post #27 of 28 (59 views)
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'But my father loves them,' said Túrin, 'and he is not happy without them. He says that we have learned all that we know from them, and have been made a nobler people; and he says that the Men that have lately come over the Mountains are little better than Orcs.'
'That is true,' answered Sador; 'true at least of some of us. But the up-climbing is painful, and from high places it is easy to fall low.'

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Jul 4 2013, 2:53pm

Post #28 of 28 (67 views)
i would +love+ [In reply to] Can't Post

to do a thread on this.

there are so many angles to the way females are portrayed throughout all the writings, published vs. unpublished, tolkien's original vs. christopher's edits.

there does seem to be a pattern that christopher reduces and excludes female characters (unfortunate).

would love to discuss this further.

cheers --


aka. fili orc-enshield
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo

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