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And no, it has everything to do with not misrepresenting Gandalf as an impotent sage.

AinurOlorin
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Jun 15 2013, 9:32am


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And no, it has everything to do with not misrepresenting Gandalf as an impotent sage. [In reply to] Can't Post

He was very sagacious, Wisest of The Maia in his origins, but he was far from impotent. ". . . while he could not do everything, he could do a great deal for friends in a tight place. . ." ". . . Wolves won't get him!! That was an eye opener and no mistake, nearly singed the hair off my head, he did." And numerous instances of him causing flashes "like lightning and his voice rolled like thunder."

Gandalf, in the books and (to a slightly lesser degree at times, but still) in the films has both great Wisdom AND great paranormal power. The point here is not that his wise words should be dispensed of, it is that he is much more than a beared Aragorn in a hat. It was said of Saruman that, "a wild beast captured is not safe to approach, and Saruman has powers you do not guess." The orcs and wraiths of Dol Guldur should find the same to be true of Gandalf.

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You cannot imagine how little I care to see Gandalf display massive power. That has nothing to do with the story of The Hobbit, which is about Bilbo, and everything to do with titillating the fans who go for the loudest explosions in preference to the best storytelling.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Gandalf in Dol Guldur. . . why he needs to show the greatest display of his power yet seen. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 13 2013, 4:50am
    Further commentary (had to depart earlier and did not finish). AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 13 2013, 5:37am
        Meh. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 13 2013, 7:09am
            Uhu LordGawain Send a private message to LordGawain Jun 13 2013, 10:18am
                You are actually agreeing with me almost exactly without knowing it. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:50am
            Just yes. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jun 13 2013, 11:44am
            I couldn't agree more. // dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Jun 13 2013, 12:57pm
            Agreed Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jun 13 2013, 2:53pm
                ... TFP Send a private message to TFP Jun 13 2013, 3:19pm
                Again, as I AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:53am
                    I agree that there is a point to be made Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jun 14 2013, 4:13pm
            not true about appeasing fans with loud explosions MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jun 13 2013, 4:02pm
                Thank you . And while he does say powerful lines, and they are pivotal, that is not all there AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:59am
                    I agree with you here Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 7:58pm
                        Again, exactly. To have him not perform significant magic would be the ultimate WTF moment for AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 15 2013, 7:28am
            Not really the central point. There are issues of continuity as well as cannon and proper portrayl to consider. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:43am
            That'll Do It JWPlatt Jun 14 2013, 6:21pm
                Exactly. It isn't a matter of what his most winning traits are, but of what he AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 15 2013, 7:19am
            And no, it has everything to do with not misrepresenting Gandalf as an impotent sage. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 15 2013, 9:32am
        I'd also like to see Saruman play a major role... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 13 2013, 4:25pm
            Lee's age can be dealt with... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 14 2013, 4:49am
                True Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 12:40pm
                    Saruman's full intentions were somewhat dispersed at this time. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jun 14 2013, 12:47pm
                        According to Gandalf... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 1:35pm
                            Saruman in AUJ... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jun 14 2013, 3:50pm
                                He's certainly being an obstructionist in AUJ, but it's not hinted at as to why... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 6:18pm
                                    FOTR... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jun 14 2013, 7:02pm
                                        True... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 7:36pm
                            I guess "devices" is a word that can be open to interpretation. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jun 14 2013, 6:26pm
                                Yes, absolutely... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 7:41pm
        ^This Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jun 14 2013, 9:10pm
    what do you want to see him do this time? lurtz2010 Send a private message to lurtz2010 Jun 13 2013, 7:27am
        ... TFP Send a private message to TFP Jun 13 2013, 10:24am
        I would be thrilled if they lifted the exact scene alluded to in the novels for Amon Sul, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:47am
            Not all nine at Amon Sul Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 14 2013, 7:35am
                Nope, Gandalf was attacked by all Nine Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jun 14 2013, 9:14pm
                It was all Nine. They split after the confrontation. At dawn, Gandalf breaks away from the battle, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 15 2013, 7:11am

 
 
 

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