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More than one way to set up a tradgedy?

noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 10:59am


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Interesting thread!: the idea is that literary tragedy is the failure of the expected goodness in the world to manifest? (Did i get that right?) I'm not sure that always works. I think that sometimes:

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"Tragedy in dramatic terms is inevitable, pre-ordained."

That is, the character, usually the main one, brings their doom upon themselves. So in some tradgedies at least it's far from the case that life makes no sense- I see Saruman as a tragic character for example, because he self-destructs rather than because the gods fail to keep him on the path of virtue.

Its quote from the play Educting Rita. If you're not familiar with tgat stiry, it concerns Rita, a hairdresser with a keen mind but little formal education, who joins a literature course, with various amusing and touching consequences. In this scene, Rita's tutor is defining tradgedy, and contrasting it to mishap. The scene discusses why Macbeth is a tradgedy.

You can read the scene here (it's very good! )http://resources.mhs.vic.edu.au/...torical/tragedy.html

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

Subject User Time
Tolkien and the Tragic Bombadil21 Send a private message to Bombadil21 Jun 10 2013, 11:08am
    Has it been ignored? Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Jun 10 2013, 1:03pm
        Eucatastrophe Bombadil21 Send a private message to Bombadil21 Jun 10 2013, 1:50pm
    Tragedy has a slippery definition for me CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 10 2013, 4:28pm
        Turin and Frodo Bombadil21 Send a private message to Bombadil21 Jun 11 2013, 7:35am
            Interesting take demnation Send a private message to demnation Jun 11 2013, 8:17am
        More than one way to set up a tradgedy? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 10:59am
    I think Tolkien struck a good balance demnation Send a private message to demnation Jun 10 2013, 10:59pm

 
 
 

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