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All this agreement

Brethil
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Jun 4 2013, 8:46pm


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I guess we can't have drama in the Rdg Room if I keep agreeing with people, but I really like your observation, Breth: We do have that bad habit of agreeing often...Wink


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that JRRT ties real world history into ME histories during similar periods of political and identity unrest - I wonder if in the First Age he specifically identified the Moriquendi with the Saxons at all - a 'native' and more rustic people beset on all sides (in a way) by physical invasion (Orcs) and cultural invasion (Noldor.)

I think so much of The Silmarillion is framed like a more sophisticated invasion (the Noldor/Normans) in a more rustic society (the Sindar/Saxons). It says so much that the Sindar didn't even use Daeron's runes, but the Dwarves did, and the Noldor wrote as well, and Quenya became a language of learning while Sindarin was the everyday language. Menegroth originated as a refuge before the first wars even came, then got another layer of refuge protection with the Girdle--those rustics thought more about defense than fighting. Later Finrod will reveal his ideas of a refuge to Thingol, who encourages him rather enthusiastically (this is Thingol, remember--wow). Even Ossiriand is a refuge of sorts, another hidden realm (or place where everyone hides, even if the land can be found).




I think the difference in language and the divergent evolution of them is more important of course on JRRT's work than in someone else's...and I do see a parallel a bit between the Latin and the English uses back in he day.

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."

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Silmarillion, Chapter 14: Much, much more on the geography of Beleriand and its Realms telain Send a private message to telain May 22 2013, 11:54pm
    More wonderful Mappy thoughts ;-) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 23 2013, 12:46am
        sibling rivalry and the elements telain Send a private message to telain May 23 2013, 3:13pm
    Another one?! sador Send a private message to sador May 23 2013, 8:09am
        Hydrophobic bad guys noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 23 2013, 1:02pm
            yes, sometimes Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 23 2013, 1:49pm
                Zombie-proofing Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 23 2013, 4:52pm
                    as you Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 23 2013, 5:15pm
                        O-M-G !!!! YES!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 23 2013, 8:07pm
                            lmdao! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 23 2013, 8:15pm
                                A word from our sponsors noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 23 2013, 8:50pm
                                    Those of us who aren't Wizards must take steps...! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 23 2013, 8:56pm
                                    i am Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 23 2013, 10:23pm
                                Martha Stewart vs The Zombies CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 23 2013, 9:06pm
                                    "unless hair spray is a zombie repellent--has anyone tried it?"- oddly, no.. noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 23 2013, 9:36pm
                                    you know, the funniest thing... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 23 2013, 9:46pm
            as long as it is running water... telain Send a private message to telain May 23 2013, 3:51pm
                bear grylls Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 23 2013, 4:03pm
                Could JRRT have used the folklore to inspire his depiction of Ulmo? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 23 2013, 4:50pm
                    'Ear, what did you say? Brethil's done it again! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 23 2013, 5:37pm
                        The Lobe Wolf...nice catch Elaen! ;-) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 23 2013, 8:02pm
                    I like where that idea is going... telain Send a private message to telain May 24 2013, 6:33pm
                        am i remembering correctly? Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 24 2013, 6:40pm
                            Yes, Frodo shuddered at the touch of the unclean water on his feet// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 24 2013, 7:47pm
                                yes, but... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 24 2013, 7:51pm
                                    Yes, specifically stagnant. "When they came..." noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 24 2013, 8:00pm
                                        that would be a good reason to get ebooks telain Send a private message to telain May 24 2013, 9:04pm
                                            Try it & see!// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 24 2013, 9:12pm
                                        yes, but... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 24 2013, 9:12pm
                                            ...and unmappetizingly scant with geographic illustrations. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 24 2013, 9:58pm
        best laid schemes of Elves and Men... telain Send a private message to telain May 23 2013, 3:39pm
            Back on topic (tearing ourselves away from zombies...like a dismembered limb) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 24 2013, 12:28am
    apologies to telain Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 23 2013, 10:27pm
        who am I? telain Send a private message to telain May 24 2013, 6:39pm
            ha! : ) Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 24 2013, 6:43pm
                I do love that scene in the films telain Send a private message to telain May 24 2013, 6:47pm
                    omimanwe --- Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 24 2013, 6:54pm
    geography in the context of time Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 24 2013, 12:34pm
        very helpful telain Send a private message to telain May 24 2013, 6:51pm
        Great time scale references Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 24 2013, 7:28pm
    Questions and tidbits CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 24 2013, 11:51pm
        great, thoughtful post, curiousg Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 25 2013, 12:04am
            Messy tapestries CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 25 2013, 12:19am
                well, at least Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 25 2013, 12:42am
            Refuges noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 25 2013, 10:00am
                Refuges elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 25 2013, 4:18pm
                    Another real-world parallel? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 25 2013, 4:45pm
                        And that makes sense too CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 4 2013, 1:15pm
                            All this agreement Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 4 2013, 8:46pm
                Still getting caught up CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 4 2013, 1:07pm
        More questions and tidbits back: rivers Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 25 2013, 12:08am
            Rivers CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 25 2013, 12:25am
            I enjoy going south... telain Send a private message to telain May 25 2013, 2:32am
        Great imagery point here about the Sun Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 25 2013, 12:43am
            I second that and would add telain Send a private message to telain May 25 2013, 2:43am
                I glimpse something here too Telain Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 25 2013, 6:22am
                    light and subcreation -- and letter #131!!!!! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 25 2013, 1:38pm
                        The joy of #131! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 25 2013, 3:37pm
                        Beehive buzzing with points CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 4 2013, 1:45pm
                            Hmm - interesting about Narya... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 4 2013, 8:05pm
    Some answers CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 25 2013, 12:13am
        and some misty-headed responses telain Send a private message to telain May 25 2013, 3:08am

 
 
 

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