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Death can be random and not always meaningful

Semper Fi
Rohan

May 26 2013, 10:55am


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Death can be random and not always meaningful [In reply to] Can't Post

Deaths don`t have to be meaningful and emotional all the time and there have been lots of criticism of the first movie that action was overly cartoonish precisely because nobody died. So, IMO, they could easily off few background dwarves just to show that nobody is safe. Many background, faceless characters died during Helm`s Deep and Pelenor Fields and that didn`t take away from majesty and horror of those events. If anything, it raised the stakes and made the danger palatable. But when 13 people survives most OTT dangers that`s GI Joe/other stupid movie territory that isn`t needed here. Jackson deviates from the source a lot to make movies more cinematic so offing few dwarves who won`t get any development anyway is actually a change that is more welcome and reasonable than, lets say, giving Kili a love interest.

Speaking of Kili and Fili, I don`t see why anyone thinks that sparing them is a possibility. The Hobbit trilogy is acting as a tie-in with LOTR and those dwarves aren`t even mentioned in LOTR. So sparing them would create a plot hole in that they didn`t attend Elrond`s Council,etc,etc, which, based on their current age and status as princes, they would be absolutely required to. For people who care fo such details. Also, please cut Jackson some slack. He never spared a character who died in books so why does anyone expect such a huge change this time around? The biggest change that I could see happening is Kili dying to save Tauriel and not Thorin. This is just based on Aidan Turner interview where he said that Kili would have a crush on her but it would be unrequited. And we know that unrequited love/crush always ends with romantic runner-up dying for the woman he cannot have. So that`s really the only thing we should worry about, not whether Kili and Fili will die or not. They will but question is only for whom Kili will die.



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Killing any of the other 7 would be pointless to the story - the audience aren't going to care that the ginger one that doesn't talk gets killed (and then they'll probably wonder what the point of him being in the film was in the first place!) You don't kill a character "just because".


Having 7 of them die is needless and utterly pointless.


Subject User Time
Stirring the pot re: outcome of BoFA Kaede Send a private message to Kaede May 21 2013, 2:46am
    My opinion bungobaggins May 21 2013, 3:43am
        Fili and Kili swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale May 21 2013, 4:04am
            Thanks! Kaede Send a private message to Kaede May 21 2013, 12:50pm
                pinterboard swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale May 21 2013, 3:19pm
            Hardly "unnoticed"! Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth May 21 2013, 8:27pm
            :D Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë May 22 2013, 6:03am
                Oakentoons swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale May 22 2013, 4:30pm
                    Thank you! Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë May 23 2013, 7:27am
        The relationship reveals at Esgaroth in the book Kaede Send a private message to Kaede May 21 2013, 12:27pm
    I would prefer they died. The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 21 2013, 4:09am
    Are They Going to Back Down? Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury May 21 2013, 4:19am
        Good points Kaede Send a private message to Kaede May 21 2013, 8:38am
        BOFA swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale May 21 2013, 3:17pm
    They need to follow the book on this one Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë May 21 2013, 5:11am
        tossed off in one sentence... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale May 21 2013, 3:26pm
    I don't want them to *spoilers* Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 May 21 2013, 5:27am
    I can't imagine them *spoilers* dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 21 2013, 9:52am
    I always liked how the cartoon version had even more of them *spoilers* Subaruman Send a private message to Subaruman May 21 2013, 1:34pm
        Ive been saying this for a couple years now Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 22 2013, 2:41pm
            ending (spoilers) Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala May 23 2013, 5:32am
                Had either Fili or Kili *spoilers* Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 23 2013, 5:44am
                    Of course they would have. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB May 23 2013, 7:05am
                Not a numbers game Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui May 23 2013, 3:08pm
                Spoilers marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina May 24 2013, 6:16pm
    Thinking of the actual *spoilers* The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 21 2013, 6:17pm
        Oh, man is right! Kaede Send a private message to Kaede May 21 2013, 6:43pm
            Good point about Thorin. The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 21 2013, 6:54pm
    I think more characters *spoilers* sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 May 21 2013, 10:27pm
        What if, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker May 21 2013, 11:34pm
        Bombur *spoilers* DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB May 22 2013, 7:04am
            It doesn't have to be a major event Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 22 2013, 3:45pm
                But what would the point be? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB May 22 2013, 4:15pm
                    Why stop now? // Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 22 2013, 4:15pm
                        Well I'm asking you. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB May 22 2013, 4:18pm
                            I think it adds Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 22 2013, 4:46pm
                                of course, did it change anything in LOTR... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale May 22 2013, 5:10pm
                                ooooooo idk about killing more dwarves The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 22 2013, 5:23pm
                                I'm not sure the two are comparable DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB May 22 2013, 6:15pm
            Death can be random and not always meaningful Semper Fi Send a private message to Semper Fi May 26 2013, 10:55am
    Hmmm.... marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina May 22 2013, 12:29am
        I've seen those.... Kaede Send a private message to Kaede May 22 2013, 2:05am
            Whoops marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina May 22 2013, 3:22am
    REMINDER: Let's watch the spoilers, especially in the subject lines entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden May 22 2013, 7:44pm
        whoops sorry! The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 23 2013, 2:54am

 
 
 

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