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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 13 2013, 8:09am

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Men at Dol Guldur... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Is PB implying there will be men, elves and wizards at Dol Guldur?



I don't think that this is an unreasonable guess. Several members of the White Council have close ties to the Rangers of the North. It is quite likely that a number of Rangers lent support to the attack on Dol Guldur, perhaps alongside the sons of Elrond.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


elaen32
Gondor

May 13 2013, 9:17am

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Perhaps... [In reply to] Can't Post

their mother married three times? One assumes, since they are all supposed to be distant scions of the Line of Durin, that it is their mother through whom this bloodline comes. If her husbands died (fighting orcs, falling down mines, foul play?) then she might well be expected to remarry. The way the brothers are portrayed in the film, there does seem to be a reasonable age difference between each, which could play into this? Just a thought really....none of its canon, but I certainly agree that I cannot see a Tolkien character having serial affairs resulting in illegitimate children.

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imin
Valinor


May 13 2013, 9:58am

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I think [In reply to] Can't Post

If they were asked to expand upon her having children by 3 fathers, they would say, the first two husbands were killed in battle or some kind of accident so allowing her to remarry.

Though it just doesn't seem very dwarven to me as some women didn't marry at all because the dwarf they liked went with another female so if they can't get over that i doubt they would remarry.

As you say it's not canon and it doesn't matter - just again seems like something has been changed for no reason though i wonder if we (the audience) will find this out during the film or will it be some pointless back story that didn't make it in, lol.

And Iluvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor hath made war upon thy province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath not destroyed the beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold the snow, and the cunning work of frost! Melkor hath devised heats and fire without restraint, and hath not dried up thy desire nor utterly quelled the music of the sea. Behold rather the height and glory of the clouds, and the everchanging mists; and listen to the fall of rain upon the Earth! And in these clouds thou art drawn nearer to Manwe, thy friend, whom thou lovest.


Arannir
Valinor


May 13 2013, 10:09am

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I think it is one.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... one of the backstories that were never meant to be discussed on screen but just some sort of things the team are talking about in the background, to give the actors something to chew on and play their characters distinctivly, even if you do not really see them that much on screen, at least not talking.

Something very typical to do, actually, especially in theatre, where a lot of characters, even big ones and in particular classical ones, do not often have established backgrounds and histories.

This is a very common acting method, especially for method actors.


Of course, that poor Dwarf woman could just have been very unlucky and have several husbands killed by Orcs or in the sack of Erebor (not sure how old the three are).



A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of mens imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold. J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.

(This post was edited by Arannir on May 13 2013, 10:10am)


Silverlode
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May 13 2013, 10:17am

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this being mentioned briefly somewhere before and I got the impression it wasn't a totally serious explanation, more a story they invented to "explain" the differences between brothers as a sort of in-joke. Even if they were serious, I do not think it will ever be stated outright in the movie and so it will not be official movie canon, any more than the rules of "Tig" are.

Silverlode

"Dark is the water of Kheled-zram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nla, and fair were the many-pillared halls of Khazad-dm in Elder Days before the fall of mighty kings beneath the stone."



imin
Valinor


May 13 2013, 10:37am

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Think you are right :) [In reply to] Can't Post

There does seem to be lots of info which either the actors have come up with or has been given to them as a bio of the character which doesn't show in the film or isn't mentioned - kinda like the level of detail that is in the set designs which no one but SCOD viewers ever fully appreciate.

Overall as i said to me it doesn't matter but it just stood out to me as something odd - for me i will continue to imagine they are just different brothers from one mother and father as after so long i can't see them any other way! Tongue

And Iluvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor hath made war upon thy province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath not destroyed the beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold the snow, and the cunning work of frost! Melkor hath devised heats and fire without restraint, and hath not dried up thy desire nor utterly quelled the music of the sea. Behold rather the height and glory of the clouds, and the everchanging mists; and listen to the fall of rain upon the Earth! And in these clouds thou art drawn nearer to Manwe, thy friend, whom thou lovest.


TheHutt
Gondor


May 13 2013, 5:41pm

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Well, it's all known from the Chronicles books... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but nice to see some new material.
Strange that the Japanese get all this extra stuff, given the poor performance of AUJ at the box office there.

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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


May 14 2013, 12:48pm

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I might agree with speculation that this will maybe be in the EE... it feels so much like it! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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mutelock
Bree


May 14 2013, 6:11pm

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It's strange... [In reply to] Can't Post

The clip about Thorin, Fili and Kili is the same that XBox posted on Youtube. That XBox SmartGlass Exclusive thingy. Maybe the other ones are the rest of their exclusive content...?

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