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Completely Agree

malickfan
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May 7 2013, 4:12pm


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have to say I agree but I feel it loses most of its weight from the original context. I would love to see that but I feel it detracts from Dain's ascension to king under the mountain. I think Thorin should have no hand in Azog's death.... That and I'm not overly fond of the Aragorn-ization of Thorin to begin with. His character was IMO self centered and vain, not heroic like Jackson is portraying him. And the closer he came to reaching his goal the more so he became. So far I think the only change Jackson made with Thorin that made sense to me anyways was him arriving late to Bilbo's home. Other than that Armitage is doing a good job with the material he has been given but its not the Thorin Tolkien wrote. I just hope that they are thinking enough to put things right with Dain's character because he seems like an after thought to the films where as someone not as important (the necromancer) gets a much meatier role even if it is all made up.

Since Dain is one of my favorite Tolkien characters I would love to see him portrayed properly and feel that he is deserving of being king under the mountain. Not just some help that showed up in the 11th hour and was put in a position only because of Thorin's death.


I completely agree with everything you said! I've watched the film three times and still find myself indifferent to Armitage-sure he is more heroic and slightly more 'human' than his book conunterpart but I really don't see what Armitage brings to the role any other actor couldn't. As for Dain's history being completley butchered...I will simply say 'Grumble'. The Necromancer on the other hand, I'm not to sold on, whatever PJ claims he is doing almost evrything about The Necromancer SUBPLOT is made up, I can understand some people are more keen to get more of Middle Earth's backstory on screen, as for me I simply wanted to see a simple story about greed and heroism brought to life in a way complenting both the book, and Tolkien's later ancillary material, IMO what we have got so far is a lumpy, overblown mishmash of stunning ptoduction design, great action scenes, and ill thought out, cliched totally made up fan fiction (Though as PJ seems to be more a fan of inventing his own stories than following Tolkien I'm sure in what context to apply this). Dain along with Tom Bombadil and Cirdan the Shipwright are probably my three favorite characters of Tolkien's...as of yet I'm not having much luck with the PJ films!

‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’

Perhaps the most fascinating Individual in Middle Earth


Subject User Time
With Dain Ironfoot's defining moment "STOLEN" from him in An Unexpected Journey Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 5 2013, 11:43pm
    Well, Azog's not dead yet! Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green May 5 2013, 11:55pm
        Hoping so Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 6 2013, 12:09am
            Yep, agree with this Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 6 2013, 1:56pm
                I certainly wouldn't like Thorin to be shown as completely unsympathetic Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 6 2013, 3:03pm
                    But near the end Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 6 2013, 4:29pm
                        I can't say I ever hated Thorin after reading the book. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 6 2013, 4:59pm
                            Bilbo did what needed to be done Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 6 2013, 6:41pm
                            Hating Thorin Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 6 2013, 9:03pm
                                Sure they have – and it's something I don't mind Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 6 2013, 10:13pm
                                    You have a good point there. Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green May 7 2013, 12:33am
                                    The sketchy dwarves Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 7 2013, 2:41am
                I don't think Dain really cares he was robbed totoro Send a private message to totoro May 7 2013, 7:32am
                    Yes, that's what I feel. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 7 2013, 10:33am
                        Wow... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 7 2013, 11:18am
                        I could probably separate the two if they were calling the film something other than the Hobbit Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 7 2013, 12:45pm
                    I'm sure Dain does not feel robbed... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 7 2013, 1:29pm
                        Completely Agree // Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 7 2013, 1:38pm
                            As one headline put it... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 7 2013, 1:51pm
                                yeah its just too bad Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 7 2013, 2:00pm
            Completely Agree malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 7 2013, 4:12pm
        Thorin's revenge Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 6 2013, 1:51pm
    There is still time....? Aranaes Send a private message to Aranaes May 6 2013, 8:46am
    Dain maybe killed Azog DuBekar Send a private message to DuBekar May 6 2013, 8:46am
        Nice Job! IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin May 6 2013, 1:38pm
        i have had the exact same idea! flameofudun Send a private message to flameofudun May 7 2013, 1:59am
    What I would love as a salvage, Balrog et al, would be if Dain and Thorin were shown to have entered Moria, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 7 2013, 1:46am

 
 
 

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