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With Dain Ironfoot's defining moment "STOLEN" from him in An Unexpected Journey
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Tol Eressea

May 7 2013, 2:00pm

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yeah its just too bad [In reply to] Can't Post

that steroids are a BAD thing Laugh Wink


May 7 2013, 4:12pm

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Completely Agree [In reply to] Can't Post

have to say I agree but I feel it loses most of its weight from the original context. I would love to see that but I feel it detracts from Dain's ascension to king under the mountain. I think Thorin should have no hand in Azog's death.... That and I'm not overly fond of the Aragorn-ization of Thorin to begin with. His character was IMO self centered and vain, not heroic like Jackson is portraying him. And the closer he came to reaching his goal the more so he became. So far I think the only change Jackson made with Thorin that made sense to me anyways was him arriving late to Bilbo's home. Other than that Armitage is doing a good job with the material he has been given but its not the Thorin Tolkien wrote. I just hope that they are thinking enough to put things right with Dain's character because he seems like an after thought to the films where as someone not as important (the necromancer) gets a much meatier role even if it is all made up.

Since Dain is one of my favorite Tolkien characters I would love to see him portrayed properly and feel that he is deserving of being king under the mountain. Not just some help that showed up in the 11th hour and was put in a position only because of Thorin's death.

I completely agree with everything you said! I've watched the film three times and still find myself indifferent to Armitage-sure he is more heroic and slightly more 'human' than his book conunterpart but I really don't see what Armitage brings to the role any other actor couldn't. As for Dain's history being completley butchered...I will simply say 'Grumble'. The Necromancer on the other hand, I'm not to sold on, whatever PJ claims he is doing almost evrything about The Necromancer SUBPLOT is made up, I can understand some people are more keen to get more of Middle Earth's backstory on screen, as for me I simply wanted to see a simple story about greed and heroism brought to life in a way complenting both the book, and Tolkien's later ancillary material, IMO what we have got so far is a lumpy, overblown mishmash of stunning ptoduction design, great action scenes, and ill thought out, cliched totally made up fan fiction (Though as PJ seems to be more a fan of inventing his own stories than following Tolkien I'm sure in what context to apply this). Dain along with Tom Bombadil and Cirdan the Shipwright are probably my three favorite characters of Tolkien's...as of yet I'm not having much luck with the PJ films!

‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’

Perhaps the most fascinating Individual in Middle Earth

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