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Discussion of old news concerning Gandalf and Radagast (possible spoilers)
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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 4 2013, 1:57pm

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Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree... [In reply to] Can't Post

I just don't see this the way that you do and it doesn't look like either of us is going to convince the other of our opinions. I still believe that Gandalf's association with the Noldor would have mede him unwelcome in Thranduil's Court before the events of TA 2941. Not that I couldn't be mistaken.

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In LOTR, book and movie, Legolas seems to know Gandalf pretty well. He can only really have known him from Gandalf visiting the Woodland Realm. Ok, some of these visits could have been after the events of The Hobbit, but I doubt that Gandalf was able to spend much time there during this period. I therefore think it v likely he had visited Thranduil before this



I see what you are driving at, but I feel that Gandalf's post-BoFA experiences with the Woodland Realm are enough to account for his acquaintance with Legolas. In particular, Gandalf and Bilbo traveled with Thranduil and his army on their journey back to the Shire until they reached the borders of Mirkwood, Later, there is the capture and questioning of Gollum. It is easy to suppose that Gandalf made some visits in-between as well. He did tend to get around.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


May 6 2013, 12:38am

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I understand your meaning, yet I don't think there is enough to support it, and a number of reasons to believe the contrary. [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf might be said to be, like Bombadil though in a different way, something of a law onto himself, and certainly a special case.

The type of resentment you are describing towards the Noldor would not have been so assuaged by Gandalf's aid in battle against the orcs, that he would have given the Wizard the glowing, reverent words and an essentially adoring welcome to visit often. If he really thought of the Wizard as a mere tool of Galadriel and her kin, his praise would have been far more reserved. Polite, but not warm, and not embracing. Certainly he would not have gone on to submit to the requests of the Wizard even to the inconvenience and peril of his own people. Battle valour and aid, even amazing aid, from eighty years prior and dark times would not have prompted him to adhere to the wishes of the Wizard with such a burdensome request, if he viewed him antagonistically as an extention of the arms of The Noldor. Again, the vanity and curiosity of the king would have been the very things that would have compelled him to welcome this strange being from Across The Sea, welcomed reverently by Cirdan (no Noldor intruder he) even before Galadriel. He would have wondered about the Wizards just like other Elves did, and would have wanted to be able to say that they came and held audience with him, just as they did with the likes of Galadriel and Elrond.

And here the Wizards oft humble approach would have served him well. If he had come bearing some sign of The Lady of Lorilindorinan and accompanied by her followers, then one can well imagine Thranduil petulantly refusing him entry. But it is dubious that he would have approached thus. Let us not underestimate the cleverness of The Gray Pilgrim. If there were anyone who could find a way to get himself admitted to see people he was interested in meeting with, whether they willed it or no, it was Gandalf The Gray. The likelihood that his paths never crossed with Thranduil prior to the events of The Hobbit is flabbergastingly improbable. Even his presence with The Elves at the battle, as opposed to with Men, hints at pre-existing ties.

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I just don't see this the way that you do and it doesn't look like either of us is going to convince the other of our opinions. I still believe that Gandalf's association with the Noldor would have mede him unwelcome in Thranduil's Court before the events of TA 2941. Not that I couldn't be mistaken.

elean32 wrote:

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In LOTR, book and movie, Legolas seems to know Gandalf pretty well. He can only really have known him from Gandalf visiting the Woodland Realm. Ok, some of these visits could have been after the events of The Hobbit, but I doubt that Gandalf was able to spend much time there during this period. I therefore think it v likely he had visited Thranduil before this



I see what you are driving at, but I feel that Gandalf's post-BoFA experiences with the Woodland Realm are enough to account for his acquaintance with Legolas. In particular, Gandalf and Bilbo traveled with Thranduil and his army on their journey back to the Shire until they reached the borders of Mirkwood, Later, there is the capture and questioning of Gollum. It is easy to suppose that Gandalf made some visits in-between as well. He did tend to get around.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on May 6 2013, 12:42am)

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