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Smaug's fire

Skaan
Lorien


Apr 27 2013, 7:07pm

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Some recent threads/posts has got me thinking a bit. In the AUJ prologue, Smaug's fire seems to be a bit different than regular fire. Some say it's bad CGI, some say it's supposed to look like that.

Do you think they gave Smaug a special kind of fire? It seems like it's some sort of solid material from the way it makes contact with walls/streets/towers, etc.

They have mentioned a couple of times how they want to make Smaug stand out from other movie dragons, while still retaining the classical dragon feel. Do you think this is one of the reasons how they want to make him different?


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Apr 27 2013, 7:16pm

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Yeah, it's not just flame shooting out, [In reply to] Can't Post

there's some weight to it, almost like globs of flaming crude oil. It looks like it would do even more damage than just projected flames, as it would stick to anything it hits and keep burning. Plus it seems to have quite a bit of projectile force, blasting through doors and such.

I do think it was a design choice by PJ and Weta, to set Smaug apart from all the other film dragons of the past 20-30 years. I think it looks very cool, and could bring an entirely new, interesting aspect to the battle sequences. I can't wait to see it in action.


(This post was edited by sauget.diblosio on Apr 27 2013, 7:20pm)


sycorax82
Rohan

Apr 27 2013, 9:45pm

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It makes me think of napalm... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm really glad they're going in this direction. It's much more horrific than 'normal' dragon fire!!


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 27 2013, 11:11pm

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Yes, it may be that they've been inspired by [In reply to] Can't Post

the bombardier beetle, which produces two chemicals in separate chambers in its abdomen, then, when threatened, mixes them with some enzymes and shoots them out - and they react to each other by heating to boiling point.

There are those who have speculated that perhaps some dinosaurs may have had a similar capability and that could be the source of the "fire-breathing " dragon of mythology.

I agree that it looks like a flaming oily substance rather than just flame like you'd get from a flamethrower, and this could be why. I think it would be cool if it was.

Silverlode

"Dark is the water of Kheled-zâram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nâla, and fair were the many-pillared halls of Khazad-dűm in Elder Days before the fall of mighty kings beneath the stone."



(This post was edited by Silverlode on Apr 27 2013, 11:12pm)


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 27 2013, 11:32pm

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so basically.. [In reply to] Can't Post

your saying he's spewing napalm now? fire does not cling to buildings and people.


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Kirly
Lorien


Apr 28 2013, 1:11am

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Or like very liquid lava/// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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imin
Valinor


Apr 28 2013, 11:27am

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Who was around to see this to create the mythology? :P [In reply to] Can't Post


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There are those who have speculated that perhaps some dinosaurs may have had a similar capability and that could be the source of the "fire-breathing " dragon of mythology.


And Iluvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor hath made war upon thy province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath not destroyed the beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold the snow, and the cunning work of frost! Melkor hath devised heats and fire without restraint, and hath not dried up thy desire nor utterly quelled the music of the sea. Behold rather the height and glory of the clouds, and the everchanging mists; and listen to the fall of rain upon the Earth! And in these clouds thou art drawn nearer to Manwe, thy friend, whom thou lovest.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Apr 28 2013, 11:47am

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Jesus rode a dinosaur, didn't he?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


imin
Valinor


Apr 28 2013, 12:04pm

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Looks like it's true! :P [In reply to] Can't Post

http://aintnogod.com/...allery_2_6_31654.jpg

And Iluvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor hath made war upon thy province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath not destroyed the beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold the snow, and the cunning work of frost! Melkor hath devised heats and fire without restraint, and hath not dried up thy desire nor utterly quelled the music of the sea. Behold rather the height and glory of the clouds, and the everchanging mists; and listen to the fall of rain upon the Earth! And in these clouds thou art drawn nearer to Manwe, thy friend, whom thou lovest.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Apr 28 2013, 12:07pm

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NIce... [In reply to] Can't Post

 


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Apr 28 2013, 12:36pm

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I don't know much about napalm, [In reply to] Can't Post

but yeah, that sounds like what i was getting at. But it's hard to tell exactly what's going on with it in just those few quick shots though.

EDIT: Just wikipedia-ed napalm, and it seems like that's close, though in the prologue it seems even more solid, thicker and heavier. But, like i said, it's hard to tell from the brief shots in AUJ.


(This post was edited by sauget.diblosio on Apr 28 2013, 12:43pm)

 
 

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