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Journey to the Magnetic Mountain (AUJ)

Dwarvenfury
Lorien

Apr 25 2013, 4:50am

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I am not steeped in the lore, but there does not seem to be
the urgency driving the Hobbit narrative as found in lotr.
In fotr, there was more urgency in the quest to mt. doom as
the darkness was stirring and the Sauron's minions already
on the hunt. Things were to get worse as time passed, and
there was no hiding from the growing peril. Thus, the urgency
was present to drive the narration, and the stakes were dramatic
too.

There is not the same urgency in the Hobbit. The company could swing down
to Gondor in the process, maybe head to pay the Easterlings a visit and then sojourn with
Dain in the Iron Hills and maybe swing up to forochel before approaching Erebor from the NE.
Smaug the terrible worm is not going anywhere soon.

I think this is evident in part one of the journey. They just get on the road and it cannot be expected
that they will meet their destination in film one, or any real destination for that matter. When you embark
on a long journey, you have a general goal and reason for the expedition, yet it is not in the forefront of your
mind, motivating every action yonder. otherwise, one would probably tire, reassess and retire back to home.
I think there company is just starting out so it just has what is in front of them in mind. this includes trolls and
rabbits and chasing wargs, stuff that may not actually point toward a destination established in the prologue. It
might seem like just stuff to be put in there. Yet, that is exactly what it is. It's kind of one fiasco on top of another
that sort of prevents the company from getting to the moutnain to wrestle it away from the dragon.

So stuff happens on the journey that must be dealt with and in specific fashion, all the while the fat, scaly worm
reposes in blissful slumber under the mountain. so i think it is understandable if one watches the film and wonders to
self where this film is headed, as a driving, narrative destination is obscured. how does the drawn out troll scene or
battle flashback really drive or point to a destination? It doesn't lol.

yet, as the mountain looms, the story gathers more momentum and more purposeful sense.
I am curious to see how pushing any thought of the story's purpose into the background when viewing the film,
helps illuminate the story of AUJ itself. afterall, Bilbo is not sure of the journey, the dwarves are not sure, gandalf is not sure,
but it's about them getting out there on the road at least and see where it takes them.
maybe try viewing AUJ once telling yourself that nothing really has a purpose or needs a purpose in this part of the story and see
if the jounrey and characters enmesh you. let me know how its what you think!Sly

viewing it that way might allow one to better see the spirit of AUJ in a way before DoS illuminates it for us. DoS will
cast its light on AUJ as a deeper picture will be drawn as story lines mature! try it!


(This post was edited by Dwarvenfury on Apr 25 2013, 4:58am)


Arannir
Valinor

Apr 25 2013, 6:56am

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I agree about the urgency... [In reply to] Can't Post

... but that is actually stronger in AUJ than in it in the early chapters in the book (partly because in the book it is not about re-capturing the Mountain, but for the treasure).

But yes, LotR always had more urgency - though FotR is relatively episodic as well (though we get more glimpses of Mordor and Sauron on the road). When you compare TTT and RotK to the first movie, it also becomes much less episodic (less kopping from one set-piece to the next and one obstacle to the next).


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Apr 25 2013, 7:02am

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Yes, once they get to Rivendell, and Elrond reads the Moon Runes, [In reply to] Can't Post

they realize they have a deadline to meet (Durin's Day) for the secret door to be revealed. That gives an impetus to the journey that was lacking beforehand.

Of course, there are two more periods of inactivity still to come - the imprisonment in Mirkwood, and the rest and recuperation in Laketown. but it is the nature of the story as written. At least those sections of the film will hopefully give PJ space for character development, particularly Bard, and probably the Thranduil/Legolas/Tauriel triumvirate in Mirkwood...


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Victoria Monfort


Dwarvenfury
Lorien

Apr 26 2013, 10:15pm

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I mean to say that there is a bit of uncertainty here with the characters in the film.
bilbo is uncertain and the dwarves and gandalf are uncertain. they want the mountain back
and the conception of their plan slowly gestates in the beginning, but even there, they don't exactly
have a concrete plan of what to do when they reach certain parts of their journey. it's a bit of an audacious endeavor,
they don't know exactly how, but they'll figure it out as they come to it...hopefully....this accounts for some of the
twists and turns and halts and beginnings in the feel of the journey. there is a general
goal and hope for their endeavor but really they're just winging it lol. any itinerary unfortunately went flying out the window
at the beginning of the journey. this is not exactly the logical, linear trajectory of momentum buildup and lucid purpose
accompanying the events of other stories, hence auj is an unexpected journey. it's almost one big fat blind jump into
adventure without any concrete plan except head East toward the mountain lol. thank goodness there are plenty of other
characters to bail them out along the way Crazy.
the characters are all unsure, the journey isn't sure of itself, and together with that stuff just happens on the road.
If the party gets over the misty mountains intact, then we'll start talking purpose Sly. until then, i don't think the characters
exactly know what they're doing. they try to face things as they come for the time being.

 
 

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