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Well, exactly...

Arannir
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Apr 26 2013, 6:50am


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... this is why there had to be more than just the Fellowship... Elrond also establishes with his welcome speech that this is a much broader meeting.

Since they did not explain the White Council, I think it was done nicely non-verbial by only showing the four of them.

I certainly would not mind the WC being established more in DoS - but I think it serves the story they are telling very well, without really destroying the lore, since an ad-hoc meeting could have very well existed just of those four, depending on where the other members were at the point of the summoning.


I agree, however, that it would have been wiser to reveal Sauron from the start and make it a fight about whether he is strong enough to pose a threat.

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Issues about the White Council Smeagol Bagginsess Send a private message to Smeagol Bagginsess Apr 23 2013, 11:01am
    My take on it. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 23 2013, 11:34am
    Yes. Radagast was technically a member of the Council, but... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 23 2013, 2:42pm
        This... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 23 2013, 3:09pm
        That's a very good point MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Apr 23 2013, 4:16pm
            Also, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Apr 23 2013, 4:36pm
    Agreed about Philippa Boyens' comment about Galadriel being "the most powerful being in Middle-earth" Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Apr 23 2013, 4:39pm
        the boyens quote Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 23 2013, 6:40pm
            What amuses me so much Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Apr 23 2013, 6:51pm
                peter, peter... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 23 2013, 6:55pm
                (i tease peter jackson) Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 23 2013, 6:58pm
                Zing! I want Cobert to be present at all scripting decisions, if we cannot do so, for he AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 24 2013, 3:48am
            Sauron dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Apr 23 2013, 6:58pm
                It needs to be put under a microscope if that is her sincire opinion and if it is going to colour AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 24 2013, 3:55am
    Telepathic Galadriel Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Apr 23 2013, 4:43pm
        And one does not mess with one's mother-in-law! Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 23 2013, 4:48pm
        Quite True - he almost gave her a look like - oh well, here is the (more powerful) mother-in law checking in on me again ltnjmy Send a private message to ltnjmy Apr 23 2013, 6:19pm
    I agree MorgolKing Send a private message to MorgolKing Apr 23 2013, 5:49pm
        I took it as... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 23 2013, 7:13pm
    Telepathic communication Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Apr 23 2013, 5:55pm
        Doesn't Saruman... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Apr 23 2013, 6:10pm
            It's not the rings Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Apr 23 2013, 6:20pm
                Sorry I should clarify cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Apr 23 2013, 6:34pm
                    Rings or telepathy Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Apr 23 2013, 7:16pm
                        Haha thank you cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Apr 23 2013, 7:23pm
                            No problem! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Apr 23 2013, 7:29pm
    Huge agreement on 1 (Ahh, Glorfindel, where art thou), 3 (Gandalf is no one's lackey) And 5(Ainur are higher than Elves) AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 23 2013, 6:09pm
    My thoughts dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Apr 23 2013, 6:34pm
        I agree with your points, dubulous Kristin Thompson Send a private message to Kristin Thompson Apr 24 2013, 1:46am
            Galadriel... Guillaume Send a private message to Guillaume Apr 24 2013, 2:01am
                Again, just talking about the book and not the film, Kristin Thompson Send a private message to Kristin Thompson Apr 24 2013, 2:41am
            Telepathy in your book Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Apr 24 2013, 2:38am
                Thanks! Kristin Thompson Send a private message to Kristin Thompson Apr 24 2013, 3:10am
                    Magic Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Apr 24 2013, 4:02am
            Galadriel vanishing Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 24 2013, 3:28am
                Passage of time Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Apr 24 2013, 4:05am
                Good explanation! Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Apr 24 2013, 6:41am
                    100% Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 24 2013, 7:29am
            In some places I must disagree. In others not. Glorfindel and Cirdan would be no more confusing AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 24 2013, 4:13am
                A discussion re-visited ;-) Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 24 2013, 7:28am
                    I can see the meaning of the defense, but it doesn't work for me. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 25 2013, 12:16am
                        Well, I do talk to people who have no lore-interest... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 25 2013, 6:51am
                            Interesting, for I often hear the opposite from those not familliar with the lore. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 25 2013, 9:58pm
                                Well... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 26 2013, 6:47am
            Galadriel's disappearance dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Apr 24 2013, 7:08am
            Introducing other Council members need not be confusing Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 24 2013, 2:12pm
                I wonder if Cirdans appearance would be confusing to the general audience? imin Send a private message to imin Apr 24 2013, 2:19pm
                    Círdan did already appear in Jackson's RotK Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 24 2013, 2:35pm
                        And how much did we see of him there? Or hear from him? or have anything spoken about him? imin Send a private message to imin Apr 24 2013, 3:32pm
                            He was also shown in closer detail in the prologue... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Apr 24 2013, 3:35pm
                            Círdan Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 24 2013, 8:33pm
                                no i completely agree imin Send a private message to imin Apr 24 2013, 9:41pm
                I actually think a skilled director leaves such characters out... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 24 2013, 2:25pm
                    That would depend on circumstances... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 24 2013, 2:49pm
                        However... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 24 2013, 2:57pm
                            Well I would contend that the White Council is an established entity within Tolkien's canon... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 24 2013, 3:14pm
                                I certainly have nothing against what you describe... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 24 2013, 3:22pm
                                I have to admit that my disappointment comes from sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 24 2013, 3:30pm
                                    Precisely. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 25 2013, 12:17am
                    But such characters have already appeared sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 24 2013, 2:59pm
                    Then why not pair the Council of Elrond down to none save Elrond and The Fellowship??? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 25 2013, 12:23am
                        I commented on this before... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 25 2013, 6:48am
                            You have all the free people accounted for with the fellowhsip alone. No need for anyone else.. . except AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 25 2013, 9:45pm
                                Well, exactly... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 26 2013, 6:50am
                Amen. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 25 2013, 12:21am
        It gives a great many false notions and misconceptions to the many audience members who AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 24 2013, 3:14am
    I was under the impression Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Apr 23 2013, 9:51pm
    I agree with all your points Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 24 2013, 11:25am
    problems with the WC IMO Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 24 2013, 12:47pm
        The tension wasn't invented...? Saruman was like this in the book // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Apr 24 2013, 12:55pm
            I'm going strictly by the films here. Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 24 2013, 12:59pm
                Well, what if Gandalf and Saruman make up in film 2 or 3 QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Apr 24 2013, 1:19pm
                    wishful thinking IMO to be honest Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 24 2013, 1:36pm
        I said this earlier, but i never got the feeling that sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 24 2013, 2:54pm
            I guess people see things differently Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 24 2013, 3:27pm
    The one change I'd make Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Apr 24 2013, 1:40pm
    I also didn't care for how sheepish Gandalf was. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 24 2013, 4:01pm
    I had many problems with the way the White Council was handled. jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Apr 25 2013, 4:51pm
        They couldn't resist the lure of the SUPER drama of discovery. It would have been SOO much more plausible if they had stuck to the Appendices AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 25 2013, 10:09pm
    concerning authority and the Istari Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 25 2013, 10:23pm
        Prophets/Mystics. . . though they don't always hold to the prescribed edicts. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 25 2013, 10:37pm

 
 
 

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