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Thrain DoS

Dwarvenfury
Lorien

Apr 23 2013, 1:03am

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Thrain must be taken seriously. His character, whatever his part, must convey a sense of dignity, despite his madness.
This character does not need to be the buffoon caricature of his father. And i think it is apt that Gandalf or whoever finds him
does not patronize the dwarf. Any hint of demonstration that attempts to appeal to our sense of dwarvishness will be a distraction, i think.
The audience already has more than ten characters to remind us how dwarves are dwarvish. A dignified Dwarf, akin to Thorin would
be a nice supplement to the aura conjured by our motley band of Dwarves. Dwarves can be amusing, so be it; but, at the end of the day, they absolutely must
be believable. Time for DoS to prove it.
Anyone agree?


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Apr 23 2013, 1:59am

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While he certainly should not be buffoonish, I'm not sure how much dignity Thrain's madness should allow.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Arannir
Valinor

Apr 23 2013, 7:03am

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... madness can easily get one in situations that do not leave one with much dignity.

He should not be funny, at all. But someone crazed by grief and torture will probably not have much dwarvishness left - that is actually the point, that all those events stripped him from these features.


(This post was edited by Arannir on Apr 23 2013, 7:04am)


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 23 2013, 7:18am

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Thrain Dol-Guldur will have to be a flashback.... [In reply to] Can't Post

that event took place around 50 years before the quest for erebor in the books. -So that would explain why Gandalf was shocked with the news of a necromancer in dol-guldur.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Apr 23 2013, 2:16pm

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that event took place around 50 years before the quest for erebor in the books. -So that would explain why Gandalf was shocked with the news of a necromancer in dol-guldur.



Because, unlike Tolkien's Middle-earth, here he did not discover the Necromancer in Dol Guldur at that time (nor had the Necromancer's existance been revealed yet).

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Lio
Lorien


Apr 24 2013, 12:01am

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So I'm not too worried that Thrain's madness will be portrayed as comic relief.

As an aside, I hope they show more of Thrain in his pre-madness days. He was barely there in AUJ. And yes, he should project a sense of dignity. And majesty! He is Thorin's dad after all. Wink

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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 24 2013, 4:32am

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right.... [In reply to] Can't Post

which would explain why Gandalf was taken by surprise by Radagast saying Dol-Guldur was not abandoned.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!

 
 

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