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I do NOT see it as having anything to do with her being female

Sinister71
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Apr 7 2013, 2:10am


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It has to do with a very minor character who's primary role in the book was getting drunk and having their keys "borrowed" by Bilbo. Which in the book the character was, which is not a big deal, referred to as him which doesn't really matter. Him or her, that part to me is all the same. I do not, nor have ever cared what the characters gender is. My big problem with this character is there is no basis rooted in anything Tolkien other than that small minute detail. The character gets drunk and passes out, period, end of story, nothing more is known about the character. What we are getting is a warrior elf who by all accounts is killing spiders, chasing orcs, talking and interacting with others, running about middle earth with nothing that was ever written by Tolkien. All her dialogue, actions, motives, are written and made up by Peter Jackson. Unless she gets drunk, passes out and lets Bilbo get her keys, which I highly doubt since they have gone thru all this trouble to insert a completely made up, fan fiction, character into the films to add "feminine energy". There is not one stitch of development to this character from Tolkien's work. THAT is where i have trouble with the character, it has nothing to do with the gender but the character itself. Heck give Evangeline Lilly Bards role and make Bard female for all I care.That would be better than the whole Robin Hood thing they have going on with his character. Tongue

All this talk about people not having issues with Alfrid... I see no problem with the character, because he is not a main character given any real motivation, his character design is to make the Master of Laketown look a certain way, nothing more. That character is nothing more than a pawn moved by the motivations of the Master of Laketown. plus the actor portraying him is little known so his role will probably not be that big. Evangeline Lilly however has gained stardom and success with such things as LOST, Real Steel, plus being on several other television shows in her career. She is a well known actress so her role will not end up being a cameo, so It should be presumed her role while might not be huge in comparison to Thorin or Bilbo will be just as large as Legolas's or Thranduil's. Which are Tolkien based characters. Even though I do not think their motives will be anything Tolkien created in the grand scheme of things, but they are Tolkien characters.

My fears with her character are that she will help Bilbo rescue the dwarfs from Thranduil's halls after getting some pity for them or for Bilbo, and the spider sequence will be all about the elves chasing the spiders away and capturing the dwarfs instead of Bilbo being the one to save the dwarfs from the spiders just because Peter Jackson wants to make the story "more complex" with different story lines. The key events of the book should be rolled over into the film, without feeling the need to give other characters heroic events that belong to Bilbo. Bilbo should be the one to sneak the keys without help, Bilbo should be the one to rescue the dwarfs from the spiders unassisted. Those events are part of the character arc of Bilbo and to not give them to Bilbo or to alter them is just poor adapting IMO. Maybe if there were some basis in Tolkien's writings for Tauriel I might feel differently but at this point she is merely some made up elf warrior, who happens to be female, that is just unnecessary in telling the story of Bilbo Baggins and his journey. Which IMO should be the first and foremost thing in the films not about making the story more complex.

By the way Not every film, television show, or book needs a strong female character, if there wasn't one written into it. They should be able to make it without one. I mean If they can change one character to female without making changes to the story I'm fine with the addition but to just add one because it adds "feminine energy" or to stop the film from "feeling like a boys club" is a PC reason IMO and does nothing to the story at hand. I just think her addition is a poor choice because it is based on nothing Tolkien, its a character who was maybe a paragraph in the book getting drunk, passing out, and getting their keys taken for Bilbo to do what he needed to do. (which I highly doubt will happen since she is the female counterpart to Legolas) And to have her helping Bilbo in Thranduil's halls takes away from his great deed of rescuing the dwarfs.


(This post was edited by sinister71 on Apr 7 2013, 2:14am)

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tauriel jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 3 2013, 11:38am
    Why? Hamfast of Gamwich Send a private message to Hamfast of Gamwich Apr 3 2013, 12:08pm
        I second this tarasaurus Send a private message to tarasaurus Apr 3 2013, 1:28pm
        Yeah I'm not too concerned either Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Apr 3 2013, 3:24pm
            Too much about too little Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Apr 3 2013, 3:30pm
    jimmyfenn Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 3 2013, 12:48pm
    That girl elf in you avatar. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Apr 3 2013, 12:56pm
    Have to Admit IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Apr 3 2013, 1:38pm
        Alfrid vs Tauriel Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 3 2013, 3:16pm
    Much as I love elves and a strong female character.... Elwen Send a private message to Elwen Apr 3 2013, 1:53pm
        I like the changes, actually LordotRings93 Send a private message to LordotRings93 Apr 3 2013, 2:09pm
            Actually Elwen Send a private message to Elwen Apr 3 2013, 2:45pm
                PJ/Philipa explained the reasoning for Faramir LordotRings93 Send a private message to LordotRings93 Apr 3 2013, 4:39pm
                    I'm aware of the reasons...I even understand them. Elwen Send a private message to Elwen Apr 3 2013, 4:55pm
    Tauriel's response DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Apr 3 2013, 2:51pm
    I hope they are wise with all this Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Apr 3 2013, 2:56pm
        If they are just 'walking around' Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 3 2013, 3:02pm
            Thatīs exactly what I was saying Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Apr 3 2013, 3:49pm
        Its not the walking around part that concerns me Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 3 2013, 3:23pm
            Who says she's taking on a major role? dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Apr 3 2013, 3:44pm
                Since my earlier post got deleted somehow... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Apr 3 2013, 3:53pm
                    I don't see that EL is a well-known Hollywood actress. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Apr 3 2013, 6:19pm
                        I see what you're trying to do... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 3 2013, 7:40pm
                            LOL, sauget,diblosio! ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Apr 3 2013, 9:02pm
                                Ha ha... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 3 2013, 9:12pm
                                Have a feeling Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Apr 3 2013, 10:12pm
                    I wouldn't call her that. Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Apr 3 2013, 7:08pm
                        Fair enough... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Apr 3 2013, 8:07pm
                I was gonna say tarasaurus Send a private message to tarasaurus Apr 3 2013, 4:25pm
                    Not all of the characters you reference are played by reasonably well-known actors. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Apr 3 2013, 5:59pm
                        agree jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 3 2013, 6:11pm
                    Why the endless Tauriel griping ? ltnjmy Send a private message to ltnjmy Apr 3 2013, 6:00pm
                        What? Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Apr 3 2013, 8:22pm
            Thats what I was saying Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Apr 3 2013, 3:50pm
    Elf Harpist SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Apr 3 2013, 3:36pm
        Interesting Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Apr 3 2013, 3:45pm
            Well SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Apr 3 2013, 4:02pm
                lol Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Apr 3 2013, 4:09pm
    I'm actually pretty hopeful about Tauriel. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 3 2013, 4:26pm
        ((I loved Lost!)) tarasaurus Send a private message to tarasaurus Apr 3 2013, 4:38pm
        But the role from the book Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 3 2013, 4:40pm
            Hear, hear. // Elwen Send a private message to Elwen Apr 3 2013, 5:03pm
    I dont mind if she does a Haldir Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 3 2013, 4:43pm
        And, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 3 2013, 4:53pm
        Agreed Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 3 2013, 5:31pm
    i want Tauriel to have as much screentime as possible emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Apr 3 2013, 4:49pm
    Really looking forward seeing her... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Apr 3 2013, 5:38pm
    I'm glad she's going to be there Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Apr 3 2013, 7:12pm
        LOL tarasaurus Send a private message to tarasaurus Apr 3 2013, 7:14pm
    I'm actually getting less concerned the more I see of Tauriel Lio Send a private message to Lio Apr 3 2013, 11:48pm
        I see what you mean but Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 4 2013, 12:47pm
            So you can't have female warriors sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 4 2013, 1:01pm
                There are lots of ways to have a female warrior that kicks butt. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 4 2013, 1:13pm
                    Well, *I* know that... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 4 2013, 1:29pm
                    I agree about Eowyn Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 4 2013, 3:43pm
    Actually, my understanding is that her character is in fact cannon to some extent. Kelly of Water's Edge Send a private message to Kelly of Water's Edge Apr 4 2013, 1:15am
        like I said earlier Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 4 2013, 1:33am
            So what? marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Apr 4 2013, 1:49am
                What you say about Evangeline Lilly sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 4 2013, 3:21am
                    I'm not dead set on Tauriel being the subject of some kind of romance ... but ... Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 4 2013, 3:35am
                        Hollywood's prime directive dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Apr 4 2013, 1:44pm
                            It's interesting that you picked that sentence of mine to quote Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 4 2013, 1:56pm
    holes filled in by check-boxes? Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 4 2013, 2:16am
        Maybe a treasure could be reserved for her Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 4 2013, 2:48am
    You're a hot female elf? Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Apr 4 2013, 9:50am
        They have similar customs to traditional human roles. imin Send a private message to imin Apr 4 2013, 4:08pm
            Great textual reference and interpretation Imin! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 5 2013, 2:48am
                Thanks :) imin Send a private message to imin Apr 5 2013, 12:41pm
        cliched warrior princess jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 4 2013, 5:51pm
            I guess you can blame the 3 film decision if you like. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 4 2013, 6:14pm
            You say 'feminist' like it's a bad thing. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Apr 4 2013, 6:30pm
                Feminist and NARF seem to go hand-in-hand these days // Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Apr 4 2013, 6:37pm
                yes jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 4 2013, 6:52pm
                    I think Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Apr 4 2013, 6:58pm
                        eh? jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 4 2013, 7:31pm
                            Ah - I see Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Apr 4 2013, 8:47pm
            Just call me feminist then. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Apr 5 2013, 9:15am
                Is there something wrong with being a feminist? sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 5 2013, 12:13pm
                Here's a thought... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Apr 5 2013, 12:59pm
                Well said. Elwen Send a private message to Elwen Apr 5 2013, 1:54pm
                Nicely said Ro. And cliche itself has become cliche unless we define it Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 5 2013, 3:49pm
                    not a gender issue!!!! jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 5 2013, 4:13pm
                        You look like you could use a little backup. Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Apr 5 2013, 5:59pm
                        Well, I think the cat has leaped from the bag...! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 5 2013, 6:01pm
                            ok jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 5 2013, 6:34pm
                                Indeed! And here's hoping! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 5 2013, 7:00pm
                    gender-bending Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 6 2013, 5:48pm
                        i will also add Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 6 2013, 6:00pm
                            Good point Maciliel - Its a question of social proportion vs entertainment Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 7 2013, 1:44am
                            I do NOT see it as having anything to do with her being female Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 7 2013, 2:10am
    It's gonna be Great!!! :D grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 4 2013, 10:27am
    I have no problem with her role expanding as long as Chubb-Baggins Send a private message to Chubb-Baggins Apr 4 2013, 9:59pm
        xena jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 4 2013, 10:07pm
            Again... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 4 2013, 11:15pm
                cliche jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 4 2013, 11:27pm
                    I just don't understand why you keep using the word cliche. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Apr 5 2013, 12:02am
                        well.. jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 5 2013, 12:17am
            Just out of curiosity, did you ever watch Xena? // Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Apr 5 2013, 12:21am
                no jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Apr 5 2013, 12:23am
                I've watched both Xena and Buffy. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 5 2013, 12:30am
                    I have no problem with that view Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Apr 5 2013, 12:33am
        I'll have no problem provided Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 4 2013, 10:41pm

 
 
 

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