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A Dwarvish ladder/Beorns house.

Thorins_apprentice
Rohan


Apr 3 2013, 10:25am

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A Dwarvish ladder/Beorns house. Can't Post

Okay,in the sneak peek there is a scene. where Bilbo is seen climbing up a tower of Dwarves into a laketown building.What could this be about?Also i noticed that the company, are running away from someone or something, STRAIGHT into Beorns house.Does this mean, we won't get that iconic scene from the book, of Gandalf introducing them in pairs.?

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(This post was edited by Thorins_apprentice on Apr 3 2013, 10:33am)


IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Apr 3 2013, 1:41pm

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Probably [In reply to] Can't Post

The introduction to Beorn scene is basically a recap of the story so far. It is unnecessary and repetitive in a movie. While I would love to see it as a fan and one who loves this scene in the book, it probably doesn't work cinematically. Plus it would use up a lot of screen time..


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Apr 3 2013, 2:41pm

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It wouldn't have worked in the 2-film scenario that went right through to "Barrels"... [In reply to] Can't Post

but with the change to 3 films many of us hoped it would be kept in as it's the ideal way to re-familiarize the audience with the 13 Dwarves after a year's absence.


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Elwen
Lorien


Apr 3 2013, 2:58pm

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An excellent point on re-introducing the characters. [In reply to] Can't Post

I hadn't thought of that, but it would be a great way to do it.

It was my hope that the 3 film model would allow more to be kept in instead of just drawing out action sequences.

I love this scene in the book, but sadly I'm sure it's going to be one of those things that directors refer to as "slowing down the pace of the film."

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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Apr 3 2013, 3:04pm

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Personally would love to see them reintroduced [In reply to] Can't Post

maybe not in pairs, but like 4 at a time, or something. Just keep the scene similar to the book somewhat. In the book Gandalf makes it clear that Beorn doesn't like outsiders and is suspicious of them. That's part of Beorn's character. So all of them just running in takes all that brilliant Tolkien pacing and character detail out of the scenario. It takes away Beorn's curiosity, and wanting to investigate their tale to see if its true, it just adds more unnecessary change for no good reason other than to simply change it. I hope they at least keep some feelinig of the book from Beorn's house, not so much the animal servants but the way they meet Beorn and staying in his home for a while getting the little "bunny", as Beorn calls Bilbo, fat again. Hopefully they keep some resemblance of the scene from the book otherwise, whats the point?


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Macfeast
Rohan


Apr 3 2013, 3:10pm

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My thought exactly. [In reply to] Can't Post

It would be a nice way to catch the audience up, not only on the dwarves (and as sinister noted, it wouldn't have to be in pairs, it could be fewer and bigger groups), but also on the company's progress.

Also, unless there's a lot of padding between the opening of the film and Beorn's house, the company being chased to Beorn's house would suggest some very immediate action to start the film, no gentle "easing in". If that is a good thing or a bad thing, is of course up for debate; I certainly loved the tense and dramatic flashbacks in the LOTR-trilogy, and I love the idea of a flashback to Gandalf finding Thrin in Dol Guldur to start TTT. However, if we're to open with the main characters, in the present day, then I'd prefer a more gentle opening.


(This post was edited by Macfeast on Apr 3 2013, 3:17pm)


IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Apr 3 2013, 3:41pm

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Good point [In reply to] Can't Post

Also, Beorn really hates Goblins and is very pleased that Gandalf has killed the Goblin King. He talks about it a lot. That is a lovely piece of this scene and I'd like to see it kept.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Apr 3 2013, 5:08pm

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Yeah, [In reply to] Can't Post

maybe in groups of kin-- Bifur/Bofur/Bombur... Balin/Dwalin... and ending, of course, with Thorin.


Clifton8
The Shire

Apr 3 2013, 5:15pm

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sure [In reply to] Can't Post

groups of kin, ending with Thorin AND Bilbo


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Apr 3 2013, 5:16pm

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Now I will say [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Bombur being made to wait till last, then trailing behind the last group of dwarfs would be hysterical. Bomber running in behind them all out of breath, complaining all the while about being left behind. Giving Stephen Hunter some dialogue finally. it sticks with the book but with this cast it could be ohh so great and hysterically funny. I'm sure it would get a good laugh Wink


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 3 2013, 5:20pm

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I'd like that for Bombur [In reply to] Can't Post


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I think Bombur being made to wait till last, then trailing behind the last group of dwarfs would be hysterical. Bomber running in behind them all out of breath, complaining all the while about being left behind. Giving Stephen Hunter some dialogue finally. it sticks with the book but with this cast it could be ohh so great and hysterically funny. I'm sure it would get a good laugh Wink




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Clifton8
The Shire

Apr 3 2013, 5:28pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

This would be an ideal moment for Bombur, especially considering his upcoming involvement/uninvolvement in the story. (the enchanted stream in Mirkwood).


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Apr 3 2013, 5:29pm

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He's got plenty of time . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

. . . with three films to fill.

At some point last fall, someone (Daniel LB?) asked a question to do with which sections of the book we considered "must see" . . . things that could not be left out. One of the things I mentioned was that introduction scene at Beorn's house. I'm hoping that PJ & Co changed the introduction section at Bag End in AUJ as he did 'knowing' that he intended to include the entire scene at Beorn's.
It makes sense in a way . . . it would occur right near the beginning of DOS, and would allow those not steeped in the storyline a chance to be re-introduced to the company. It would allow a little happy place after the chaos that occurred in the crossing of the Misty Mountains, and just before the mysteries that are glimpsed at Beorn's House and the parties entry into Mirkwood.

Just a thought . . .


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DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 3 2013, 5:35pm

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I think you're going to be very disappointed. [In reply to] Can't Post

The behind the scenes footage clearly shows the whole group running in at once. Frown


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Apr 3 2013, 5:40pm

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such a shame [In reply to] Can't Post

they think they know but IMO have no clue Unsure. Its the character moments like this from the book which Tolkien wrote most people want. Not some OTT action sequence instead Tongue This was one of those moments that Bombur's weight would have led to a hysterical situation. Such a shame Frown


Ffnir
Rohan


Apr 3 2013, 5:45pm

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Maybe they go in the house two time, we saw the second one ? [In reply to] Can't Post

Or maybe the scene of their arrival will happen in the garden and only after they would go all at once in there ? I don't have muche hope but there are still possibilities that this scene is kept in the movie.


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Apr 3 2013, 5:46pm

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Bah! I suppose... [In reply to] Can't Post

one could cling to the hope that the behind-the-scenes footage was what was shot originally for the 2-film version of AUJ...and that they might re-do the scene in pick-ups during the next batch of shooting?


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Kirly
Lorien


Apr 3 2013, 5:47pm

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Yes, it would be redundant [In reply to] Can't Post

And there would be alot of complaining that it was a rerun of the Dwarves arrival at Bag End.

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imin
Valinor


Apr 3 2013, 6:42pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

For 2 films it wouldn't work, but for 3 films with a year in between it is a nice and natural time to give the audience a gentle reminder of who all the dwarves are without it seeming too forced.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Apr 3 2013, 7:56pm

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Isnt the barrel scene being [In reply to] Can't Post

turned into another action OTT scene? I saw Thorin holding a green screened sword while inside a barrel..Unimpressed

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jtarkey
Rohan


Apr 3 2013, 8:18pm

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Oh Lord... [In reply to] Can't Post

Can we assume, at this point, that every great character scene will be replaced by roller coaster action sequences? I'm kind of glad my expectations for this trilogy have lowered so dramatically...

Who knows. Maybe they shot a few versions of them entering Beorns? Probably wishful thinking, but at least it's a possibility. I hope brainless action doesn't end up defining these movies.

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