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The 'I like Azog' thread.
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Kullervo
Rivendell


Apr 1 2013, 7:28pm

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I enjoyed Azog [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought Azog was (and hopefully will be) a great, or at least a good villain, for a couple reasons.

1. I though his design was very cool and quite inspired. I actually think he is the best designed orc villain in all of the middle earth movies. He doesn't just look like a random, generic orc, but has a lot of character and personality to his look, and yet teh desing is quite simple and doesn't go over the top. I've never understood the critisism of bad cgi either. I thought it looked good, at least good enough that it never took me out of the movie. Maybe it's not quite up there with Gollum, but nothing except Gollum ever has been, so I think I can forgive that.

2. He ties the story in AUJ together. Without Azog the movie would have felt much more like a series of random obstacles. Now, Iknow that that's pretty much how the books is, but it just works much better in a book, when each chapter can be seen as almost like a separate bedtime story for a child. And I'm not bothered by the fact that Azog in AUJ is not canon either. Nothing in any of the films is canon. They are a completely separate entity from the books, and the most important thing to me is that they are good enjoyable films. And, to me, if you would take out Azog from AUJ the movie would suffer.

Maybe the only critisism that I can relate to is that Azog never really does anything that interesting in the movie. He's just kind of there. But he's just kind of there in a pretty awesome way, being all evil and cool and villainy.Wink And I do hope he'll get more interesting things to do in the next two movies.


axecrazy
Rivendell


Apr 1 2013, 7:39pm

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*hugs Kullervo in a manly way and then quickly steps back*// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Azog: Defiling since 2790


tarasaurus
Rohan


Apr 1 2013, 8:01pm

Post #28 of 47 (279 views)
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really like him too [In reply to] Can't Post

and I think a lot of people would have found AUJ kind of bland without him as much as they hate it with him, because he intensifies the scenes more. I really enjoy him as a villain.


Kullervo
Rivendell


Apr 1 2013, 8:01pm

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:) *hugs back while holding a bottle of beer in one hand to appear more manly* [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Kullervo
Rivendell


Apr 1 2013, 8:25pm

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Exactly. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it was absolutely a necessity for AUJ to have a constant evil presence chasing the company throughout the various obstacles. If it wasn't him it would have had to have been someone else, but I thought Azog filled that role very well.


(This post was edited by Kullervo on Apr 1 2013, 8:27pm)


axecrazy
Rivendell


Apr 1 2013, 8:29pm

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have that beer on me [In reply to] Can't Post

I also thought his voice was very well done. I mean Thorin is loud, but Azog is a lot bigger and his voice just booms without effort. The roars and growls he puts out are extremely unsettling.... very inhuman. Azog can easily drown out Thorin on his best day.

And thanks to all the other users who have put in a positive word for my favourite Orc. I appreciate it, and will now hold my peace the subject. Smile


Azog: Defiling since 2790


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Apr 1 2013, 8:53pm

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Liked Azog too. [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, actually, I hated him, he is an evil Orc and almost killed Thorin, but you know what I mean. Wink He was an *excellent* evil orc. I liked his design, he had a lot of physical presence and the blue eyes were unsettling. In short, he was great and I would not mind seeing more of him in the rest of the series.


axecrazy
Rivendell


Apr 1 2013, 9:15pm

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Yes, the eyes [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder what prompted that decision. Azog's appearance suggests he is of the race of Men, but as soon as he starts moving and talking... it's all Orc. That in itself is unsettling. Not that I believe he has any blood of Men in him, though. I think he's just a freak among Orcs. But it does make me wonder about his origins... where did this guy come from? I guess we'll never know. It's not necessary to know. He looks and sounds the part of a 'uber evil Orc', and that's all that really matters.


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Spaldron
Rivendell


Apr 1 2013, 9:28pm

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Just to reiterate.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I didn't start this as an April fools thread, just poor timing on my part. I'm deadly serious about liking Azog and I gather everyone has their opinions but don't you think it's a little premature to call him the most hated character in The Hobbit when we've only seen Film 1?


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Lio
Lorien


Apr 1 2013, 9:34pm

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White Warg [In reply to] Can't Post

A description on one of the toy sets (Lego, I think) mentions that the "White Warg" is a she. But she hasn't been given a name as far as I know. Me, I call her Cupcake.

Oh, and I'll be sure to pass on your advice to my mom. Laugh

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Lio
Lorien


Apr 1 2013, 9:47pm

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Azog's Voice [In reply to] Can't Post

I like his voice too! It sounds strong and characteristic but it's not the generic deep villain voice. (To see what I mean, listen to Lurtz. Yeah, I know he only has like two lines. Laugh)

Plus I love the Orkish! C'mon, don't tell me you don't want to hit the streets and yell "GURIDUUUM" at the traffic.

I've also been wondering who Azog's voice actor is, but I don't think it's credited. I hope PJ or someone will bring this up in the EE commentary.

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cats16
Valinor

Apr 1 2013, 9:49pm

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Is it not Manu Bennett? [In reply to] Can't Post

I figure it was his voice used, but obviously with some effects and alterations done to give it better quality.

But did a voice actor do it instead?


Lio
Lorien


Apr 1 2013, 9:55pm

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Thank you! [In reply to] Can't Post

That's exactly the reason I like him too. He's not a minion to some Dark Lord, he's his own boss. It's possible they'll establish some connection to the Necromancer in the later movies because of the whole Bolg at Dol Guldur thing, though I really hope Azog maintains his independence. In the meantime, his defiling days ain't done yet. Cool

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Lio
Lorien


Apr 1 2013, 9:59pm

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Hmm, no idea [In reply to] Can't Post

I just assumed that because he's essentially an animated character, he'd have his own voice actor with lines recorded separately from the physical acting. Also I think many (most? all?) of the Orcs from the original trilogy had separate voice actors from the ones doing the acting in prosthetics.

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axecrazy
Rivendell


Apr 1 2013, 10:04pm

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Ah... [In reply to] Can't Post

So the white warg is a she. *feels smug* It would be cool if she had a name. Someone needs to get on the line with PJ and get that info out of him pronto. Cupcake is nice.... but not Orcish enough for my tastes. Crazy

It's the truth...about bad boys, I mean. And bad girls for that matter. They're interesting from a distance, but you wouldn't want to know any of them personally. Tim Burton's Batman and Catwoman come to mind as good examples in the same movie. They're cool, but not the sort of people you want to meet in a dark alley. Evil And Azog? Don't even go there...Crazy


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arithmancer
Grey Havens


Apr 1 2013, 10:04pm

Post #41 of 47 (199 views)
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Origin of Orcs [In reply to] Can't Post

One of the possible origins of Orcs in Tolkien's mythology was that they came from Elves that were tortured and twisted into Orcs by Morgoth. Azog's eyes worked well for me because it made me think of this theory.


Lio
Lorien


Apr 2 2013, 12:33am

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Maybe we can settle for a compromise... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and have the Warg's name be whatever "cupcake" is in Orkish. Laugh

Speaking of cupcakes, even bad boy Azog has a gentle, sensitive side! (Don't ask how I find this stuff. Crazy)

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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 2 2013, 2:38am

Post #43 of 47 (159 views)
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i'm pretty sure that is the explanation [In reply to] Can't Post

orcs have similar features of elves, their ears, facial structures.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


adnan
Rivendell


Apr 2 2013, 5:44pm

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He was just fine... [In reply to] Can't Post

He brought the required ferocity, seemed intimidating, and his CGI was excellent in my opinion. I can see an argument that he could be designed differently or whatever, but I really don't see his CGI as a rush job; it's really well done. That said, I am realy looking forward to how they present Bolg.

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axecrazy
Rivendell


Apr 2 2013, 6:12pm

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I was watching AUJ on blu-ray a few hours ago. [In reply to] Can't Post

And of course when my favourite Orc comes on screen, I can't resist letting my funny bone take over. For some reason Micheal Jackson's Thriller started playing in my head. I decided to mute the sound and play the song while jumping to all the Azog scenes. Cool I think it works pretty well. And then Azog doing the the moonwalk just popped into my twisted imagination. Laugh I cackled madly for about five minutes. Ah, this guy entertains the heck out of me. I think he'd make for the best pop star/rapper/rock star in Middle-earth's history. Just thought I'd shere this last bit of sickness on the I love Azog thread. Azog rules. Don't anyone ever forget it. Evil


Azog: Defiling since 2790


Lio
Lorien


Apr 3 2013, 12:34am

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Weird coincidence [In reply to] Can't Post

Today I was thinking about ideas for Azog fanart and him doing the moonwalk suddenly popped into my head. Random? Or... psychic?! Dum dum duuuum!

And who says Azog can't be a music star? If they can give the Dwarves and even the Goblin King a song to sing then Azog should have one too! Plus I can totally see him busting out some mad dance moves to complement his gangsta defiling skillz.

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ltnjmy
Rivendell


Apr 3 2013, 5:56pm

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Origin of Orcs/I Like Azog [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought the character of Azog in A.U.J. was great - especially the riveting eyes and voice.Smile

Every time I watch his interaction with Thorin - it is quite fascinating - the mutual stare down between the two. Awesome.

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