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That isn't what bothers me. That part would be true to the Appendices, even if not to the stand alone

AinurOlorin
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Mar 31 2013, 3:19pm


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That isn't what bothers me. That part would be true to the Appendices, even if not to the stand alone [In reply to] Can't Post

novel. Bilbo knows nothing of Necromancers and Great Rings, but in the broader legendarium, Gandalf knew quite alot about both, and he was extremely afraid at this peiod in Time that Sauron was going to launch a devestating attack against the inland havens of the Elves before he cold move The Council to interrupt the Enemy's designs with a preemptive assault of their own.

I had no real problem with that being brought in, and looked forward to how it might be developed. Yet some of my fears (not all, but some) are being realized in the way it is playing out. . . The Wizards have no idea of what or who is in Dol Guldur (save that Gandalf seems to strongly suspect even before there is evidence. . . . indeed, he has to if he has long worried about the Dragon and The Enemy ???), Galadriel is the CEO of a very small council and evidently directs the actions of Wizards now. . . I hope the threat of Sauron to The Elves is clear to Gandalf and is strongly relayed by him.. . but we shall see.

The Council/Necromancer material being used never bothered me. . . the possibility of it being badly misrepresented. . . well, it "concerns me deeply. I am not convinced, I do not think I can condone. . ."

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I've never claimed otherwise, so like you I am interested to see how it plays out. Wink

The problem I have with it though is Jackson doesn't know when to stop. He has to go OTT and in your face without any subtlety. All connections between the Necromancer and Sauron should be very subtle and left up to the viewers to make their own conclusions. But given Peter Jackson's track record with his depiction of the ring so far, he will most assuredly force the audience to know every minute detail in some way that Tolkien probably would not be proud of. Unsure


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Is the story of the Necromancer really hurting these films? LoremIpsum Send a private message to LoremIpsum Mar 29 2013, 8:01am
    To me it's the most interesting aspect of the movies dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Mar 29 2013, 9:03am
        It gives pete an opportunity to create more stories. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Mar 29 2013, 9:30am
    Not really DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 29 2013, 9:37am
        Agreed Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 29 2013, 3:42pm
            Funny....!!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 4:10pm
                Wahahaha! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 29 2013, 4:33pm
                    How about Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Mar 29 2013, 4:45pm
                        I would go to see that! Hilarious! // Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 29 2013, 4:47pm
        too soon to tell? Brandybuckled Send a private message to Brandybuckled Mar 29 2013, 6:53pm
    How can it.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Mar 29 2013, 12:09pm
        Yeah, and i'd even argue that sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 29 2013, 2:47pm
            Totally agree Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Mar 29 2013, 7:06pm
    for films its ok jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Mar 29 2013, 1:59pm
    Dimishing Returns Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 29 2013, 3:07pm
    It appears that Tolkien's vision of The Hobbit has been entombed. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Mar 29 2013, 3:15pm
        My problem is how far they seem to be going from the Appendices they keep touting. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 29 2013, 3:24pm
            A quick question... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 29 2013, 3:53pm
                In Sil it discusses the WC Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 4:06pm
                    I think the WC should argue and debate this Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 29 2013, 4:11pm
                        Agreed! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 4:19pm
                            "We will have to see..." Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Mar 29 2013, 4:47pm
                            I agree about there NEEDING to be a council and debate. The Rings might come up here as well AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 29 2013, 5:16pm
                                I hope that my comment didn't come off as a Lee knock! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 29 2013, 5:24pm
                                We can indeed have excellent debate material - and no knock to Mr Lee intended! (oops!) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 5:38pm
                    Thanks for the info, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 29 2013, 4:19pm
                        You are welcome S.D! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 4:22pm
        I don't know, Kangi.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Mar 29 2013, 4:16pm
        yes I totally agree with you Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 30 2013, 12:24am
    So far, no Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Mar 29 2013, 3:33pm
    There is nothing wrong with including the WC/Necromancer arc, per se... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 30 2013, 12:32am
        I am hoping to see the full council in the upcoming films as well. Cirdan and Glorfindel or boo AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 30 2013, 2:07am
        I just don't understand why PJ and Co. feel the need to sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 30 2013, 2:09am
            Agreed. FOTR is the king of all fantasy films. jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 30 2013, 2:14am
                Ahem Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 30 2013, 2:41am
                    LOVE that movie. Except for Angela Landsbury perishing. Her character was great. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 30 2013, 2:47am
                        Never even heard of it... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 30 2013, 2:52am
                            Fantasy? What is that? We have no lock on reality, and may be illusory ourselves. When universes spring out of Nothing (or Ainur songs) AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 30 2013, 4:37am
                                Well, certainly some fantasy is garbage... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 30 2013, 7:45pm
                            Well, Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 30 2013, 6:01pm
                        Sadly Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 30 2013, 5:57pm
            Amen seems insufficient. ALLELUJAH! I so agree with this. I think it hurts the story, the history AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 30 2013, 2:37am
            And they could have done that. We could have heard Radagast say that the evil afflicting AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 30 2013, 4:30am
            Agree 100% Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Mar 31 2013, 3:50am
    Judging by what I saw in AUJ...Yes. jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 30 2013, 12:53am
        I think involving Radagast was meant to convey to the audience that he is much more AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 30 2013, 3:43am
    Nope kbdiggity Send a private message to kbdiggity Mar 31 2013, 4:58am
        Same here tarasaurus Send a private message to tarasaurus Mar 31 2013, 3:07pm
    I am interested to see where it goes imin Send a private message to imin Mar 31 2013, 1:23pm
        I don't mind the DolGuldur subplot being added Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Mar 31 2013, 1:53pm
            Yeah that is exactly how i feel imin Send a private message to imin Mar 31 2013, 2:01pm
            That isn't what bothers me. That part would be true to the Appendices, even if not to the stand alone AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 31 2013, 3:19pm

 
 
 

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