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I love your posts and would like to add a few points

glor
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Mar 28 2013, 12:26am


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I love your posts and would like to add a few points [In reply to] Can't Post

1) Black and white as colours denotaing good versus bad/evil have an historical symbolism that has nothing to do with skin colour, in England and many parts of Northern Europe. In early christianity(much as it is now)Black was the symbol of death and white the symbol of purity. This distinction derived not from skin colour but from significant aspects of nature, white is the colour of mothers' milk, it is a life giver to the innocence of children, black is a colour not truly present in nature, except in the ashes of a burnt out (dead) fire, fire being a protector, source of warm and in many ancient and historical cultures represent the home, family and kin. Black is also the (assumed) colour of night, white the (assumed) colour of daylight, historically night is the time of danger, winters with the longer nights the period of least resources, whereas day is the safe time, summer the season of most daylight, the time of plenty.

The symbolism of black and white is not exclusive to our very modern notions of skin colour, this idea of black and white representing race, western imperialism, and divided societies is only 300 years old.

2) I find it quite comical and ironic that Tolkien whose works have deeps roots in North Western European mythology, and written as you clearly state in a different era where Tolkien may not have considered the necessity of correction for modern times (PC if you will), is picked on for being racist yet, a very modern fantasy series, with a highly successful film franchise of the last decade is rarely commented upon; Harry Potter/J K Rowling.

Hogwarts is whiter than modern day EtonCrazy Why is Harry Potter and his chums portrayed as almost exclusively white and WASP white at that especially in the films. yes I am aware that there were in the films at least a few token BME characters but why are all the main characters so distinctly Anglo-saxon? I believe that J K Rowling has said that she doesn't usually mention skin colour or ethnic origin in her books as she thinks it is irrelevant ( a good point). However, harry Potter is a very recent fantasy series made in and for modern times, so I find it's escape from the critical eye of racism allegations somewhat puzzling.

Subject User Time
Political Correctness on TH:DOS? TheHutt Send a private message to TheHutt Mar 26 2013, 9:28am
    You only see what you want to see ;-) Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Mar 26 2013, 9:43am
        Black Orcs and White Orcs! Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Mar 26 2013, 10:55am
        It's just the nature of the time.. pulpfiction16 Send a private message to pulpfiction16 Mar 26 2013, 11:01am
        The Dunlendings were white... DeadRabbits Send a private message to DeadRabbits Mar 26 2013, 12:17pm
    I can't see the picture? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 26 2013, 11:02am
        try right clicking the image and opening it in a new tab Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Mar 26 2013, 11:51am
            Oversized - that's the problem. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 26 2013, 11:55am
                Smaller image arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 26 2013, 12:04pm
                It just occurred to me that it will be deleted at any size. Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Mar 26 2013, 12:07pm
                    Yes - image has been deleted entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Mar 26 2013, 12:16pm
                        I dont understand Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 26 2013, 2:09pm
                            Advertising dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Mar 26 2013, 2:41pm
                            You should probably address your questions to WB. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Mar 26 2013, 3:04pm
                                I was just thinking out loud Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 26 2013, 3:17pm
                    Oops... arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 26 2013, 12:17pm
                    New guidance on posting screen grabs Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Mar 26 2013, 3:38pm
    If Tolkien had written any main characters with dark skin they would also be in the films sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Mar 26 2013, 1:37pm
    The whole claim of a movie being racist because evil characters are black is just maniac Tigero Send a private message to Tigero Mar 26 2013, 3:41pm
        *should not engage* *should not engage* Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Mar 26 2013, 4:32pm
            Still, there's no racist or politically incorrect Tigero Send a private message to Tigero Mar 26 2013, 5:44pm
                I agree with a lot of your points here Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Mar 26 2013, 6:12pm
                    One slight caveat on the question of racism in Tolkien.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Mar 26 2013, 7:20pm
                        I'm not discrediting any of that Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Mar 26 2013, 7:54pm
                            Thank You demnation Send a private message to demnation Mar 26 2013, 10:37pm
                            Race is a business run by politicians Gandy Send a private message to Gandy Mar 26 2013, 10:45pm
                            I love your posts and would like to add a few points glor Send a private message to glor Mar 28 2013, 12:26am
            thank you craban Send a private message to craban Mar 26 2013, 7:07pm
            If TORn had a like button ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 26 2013, 10:24pm
            This, rather exactly. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 26 2013, 11:47pm
    Here the pic again. TheHutt Send a private message to TheHutt Mar 26 2013, 4:28pm
        And still oversized ;-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 26 2013, 4:31pm
            Nope. It's sized just fine now. // Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Mar 26 2013, 5:04pm
        He's probably an enemy agent. ;) // Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Mar 26 2013, 4:34pm
    politically incorrect... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Mar 26 2013, 5:08pm

 
 
 

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