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YES ! The High Fells in DOS !!!!
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ByThorinsBeard
Rohan


Mar 25 2013, 3:01am

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I loved the scene [In reply to] Can't Post

Looks like the Raddy's shape shifting theory was flushed though, especially since the bats seemed like agents of the necromancer given their attack on Radagast as he fled Dol Guldur.

I could watch Radagast and Gandalf all day though, they are so much fun together.

I think it will work well wherever it is placed.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.



Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 12:31pm

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I'm a little bit concerned... [In reply to] Can't Post

about where exactly they are going to put this, and how they are going to implement it into the story. I understand that it's completely outside of canon, but I still expect to see geographic consistency. I hope PJ isn't just thinking "Let's just place it after Beorn's house; the audience won't know that Rhudaur is on the other side of the mountains, where we just came from."

It would be absurd to have Gandalf backtrack through the mountains, after what just happened in Goblin-Town. It would also be absurd for PJ and Co. to take it upon themselves to move Rhudaur to the eastern side of the mountains. So what other possibilities are there? Eagles taking Gandalf back over the mountains? (I hope not.) The ONLY way I can see this working properly is if it's a flashback, perhaps recounted while Gandalf is attempting to convince Saruman of the need to attack. The thing is, it did not at all look like a flashback.

This really should have stayed in AUJ, even if it had to be put in the EE.


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 12:34pm

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Might I add... [In reply to] Can't Post

a STUPID decision, unless it's in flashback form.


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Mar 25 2013, 12:35pm

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Did not see sneak peek... [In reply to] Can't Post

But, what makes a scene not look like a flashback?


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 12:50pm

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Maybe it's just me, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

 It seemed too detailed to be a flashback. Hopefully I am wrong.


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Mar 25 2013, 1:17pm

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It depends how it is done. [In reply to] Can't Post

For example, in TTT (Extended Edition) there is a long scene of Boromir, Faramir, and Denethor at Osgiliath which is a flashback, but quite long/detailed. Which is why I personally don't plan to worry about the possible time/geography issues until after I see the DoS movie. I can see too many ways to reconcile them, to worry that the filmmakers won't take any of them.


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 1:40pm

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I guess you're right. I should hold off judgement until after I see DoS.

It's just, well, I was REALLY hoping to see this in the AUJ EE. No sense in complaining about it now though. Smile


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Mar 25 2013, 1:46pm

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Oh, I see! [In reply to] Can't Post

That makes sense.

Personally, my sense is that this scene is too integral to the Necromancer/Dol Guldur subplot of the film series to put in an EE. I suspect not having the information this scene will provide would make TE DoS viewers confused about future decisions the White Council will take based on what Gandalf and Radagast discover.


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 1:51pm

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However, is it also not possible and even plausible that once they arrive at Beorn's house, Gandalf now has time to inform the company of why he was late joining them in the mountains? Or, if he is trying to win Beorn's allegiance while the company is asleep or something, could he not tell the story then, and the High Fells simply be a flashback set here?

The scene does not have much of a flashback-like quality to it I grant you, compared to the FotR prologue or AUJ prologue, but the flashback for RotK was a full scene, so it's not impossible.




Yes, this could work. I'm just hoping that it IS a flashback. But like someone pointed out, the Boromir/Faramir scene in TTT was a good example of a flashback that did not seem at all like a flashback, so I guess it could be done. But it SHOULD be a flashback, if it's supposed to be in Rhudaur.



Escapist
Gondor


Mar 25 2013, 1:56pm

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Decisions about TH:DOS should be largely informed by TH:AUJ. [In reply to] Can't Post

Now that Galadriel has alluded to this plot, I think it would be pretty confusing to drop the thread. I for one am curious now, although I can't really comment a whole lot since I don't really know this story from anywhere.

Maybe the audience won't remember that comment of Galadriel's, but I really do. There was a lot of emotion in her recollections about thinking that something had been sealed and some threat shouldn't be there anymore but was.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 2:40pm

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Totally agree.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Flashback or nothing! Tongue

Also, just exactly what information that this storyline is based upon is taken from the Appendices, hmm? ( other than the Wiki of Angmar connection, of course...)

http://www.theonering.net/...eak-peek-commentary/

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Peter then says, to our great disappointment, that they do not have a trailer
for us yet, that it will be coming this summer, but they do have a scene to show
us. He intros it by saying that it's a scene based on information from the
appendices of Lord of the Rings
, building on the Necromancer/Dol Guldur story
line and Gandalf's consultation with Galadriel regarding the Morgul blade that
Radagast found. Gandalf goes to what Peter refers to as "the High Fells" to
investigate. The scene opens with Gandalf lighting the end of his staff at the
top of a narrow staircase that goes around the inside wall of a square tower. He
climbs down towards a door that's surrounded by the mangled wreckage of an iron
gate. Through the gate, he enters a narrow crypt with a sarcophagus at the end.
The lid is broken and shoved aside, and as Gandalf slowly approaches, a bird
suddenly flies out and into his face (in what will undoubtedly be a cheap thrill
moment in 3D). Radagast appears in the doorway behind him and takes off his hat
to give the bird access to its nest in his hair.

"Oh. You," says
Gandalf.

"Yes, it's me. Why am I here? This is not a nice place to
meet," replies Radagast.

Gandalf tells him it was built by a nameless
servant of evil -- one of nine.

Radagast asks, "Who would break into
such a foul place?"

"No one. These tombs were opened from the
inside..."



"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Victoria Monfort






Elessar
Valinor


Mar 25 2013, 3:10pm

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Flashback [In reply to] Can't Post

I expect it will be a flashback where the dwarves ask Gandalf where he was while they were in Goblin Town. That is until he arrived right near the end of that sequence.



Arannir
Valinor

Mar 25 2013, 3:25pm

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Me too... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I think it is the only moment in time where this could take place.

And it wasn't in AUJ and will not be in the EE because a) it would have destroyed the pacing if Goblintown and Gollum would have been intercut with that scene and b) because the information about the Nine is too important to have it only seen by EE buyers.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Mar 25 2013, 3:38pm

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I can't imagine another White Council meeting in Rivendell [In reply to] Can't Post


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Gandalf travels back to another white council, this time to persuade them to confront the rising evil at dol-duldur. While he travels back, he enters the high fells.



I know that Imladris was the tradition meeting place for the Councils of the Wise, but I can't see Gandalf returning there after already crossing the Misty Mountains. I would guess that the Council reconvened at Lothlorien to debate Gandalf's findings and to make a final decision about the Necromancer. I see the High Fells sequence being shown as a flashback to before Gandalf rescued the company in Goblin Town.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Elessar
Valinor


Mar 25 2013, 3:52pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

That's the one place it makes total sense for it to fit.

Yes, after seeing the movie I don't think this scene would have fit at all in the first movie and gives you a perfect fit for movie two. It's darker feeling and a perfect way to reintroduce the Necromancer storyline in film 2.



MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 4:31pm

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so than there's going to be two flashbacks.... [In reply to] Can't Post

High Fells and Gandalf finding Thrain....what is this a Lost episode now?? Wink


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Mar 25 2013, 4:37pm

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Maybe more... [In reply to] Can't Post


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High Fells and Gandalf finding Thrain....what is this a Lost episode now?? Wink



Who knows? Maybe we will also get another flashback to the fall of Dale. We have to look into Bard's ancestry eventually.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Mar 25 2013, 4:52pm

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Haha, good one! [In reply to] Can't Post

Let's hope it's not a Kate episode... oh wait...

I worry about that sometimes too with these Hobbit films, but then i think that there were a lot of flashbacks in Fellowship, some long and some short, but they are some of my favorite parts of that film. And even in AUJ, there are a few flashbacks, and they are all really cool. So in the end i'm trying not too worry much. Plus, i'm confident that DoS is going to be a lot better than AUJ overall.


sycorax82
Rohan

Mar 25 2013, 8:51pm

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It's a shame that the structure of the films is already a big mess... [In reply to] Can't Post

This is far worse than what happened with TTT and ROTK. It's like Peter has been trying to salvage 3 films any way he can with all planning out the window!

Bilbo's character arc is already in tatters thanks to him proving himself too early, thus leaving his actions with Mirkwood and the barrels far less impressive. Also they've botched something so straightforward as Gandalf getting the key from Thrain, and I can't wait to find out whether we even see that moment in the end, in either theatrical or EE versions, or whether it'll end up on the cutting room floor, seeing as it doesn't make sense anymore!


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Mar 26 2013, 4:51am

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hey i'll take a.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf flashback episode anyday over any character on Lost!!!!


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Mar 26 2013, 4:53am

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if it was two films, we wouldn't have "out of order" scenes. However, now that it is three films...We are getting more middle-earth, more scenes, more character development ect...So yes, i would have loved the High Fells during the dwarves being held captives in the misty mountains but its a sacrifice i'm willing pay for a grand trilogy.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Mar 27 2013, 3:05am

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Have a little faith. Peter Jackson may make changes to the overall story and insert dumb stuff like the scrubbing bubbles ghosts in RoTK... but he has never let us down when it comes to geography.

However he crams the High Fells into the story, it will be geographically appropriate.


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Mar 27 2013, 4:01am

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Thought more about it.

Radagast went from Mirkwood to the Troll Cave thanks to his amazing bunny sled.

Perhaps Gandalf will use the amazing bunny sled to go from Beorn's to the High Fells.


No distance is too far for the amazing bunny sled.


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Mar 27 2013, 1:24pm

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Dol Guldur [In reply to] Can't Post

Dol Guldur is quite a ways south of where the group was. Maybe Radagast and his bunny sled went through the Gap of Rohan, and then shot north after they passed the mountains?

Just trying to make sense of all this...

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