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ByThorinsBeard
Rohan


Mar 23 2013, 3:37pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

Some lovely concepts in that book (including three for principle dwarves I wish would have stuck.)

Had they gone the Annie Jones route (the most famous bearded lady of the Victorian era), I would not have minded because she looked very feminine and rather pretty in a few portraits. I understand how using this could easily backfire though (but it worked well for Selma Hayack in Cirque de Freak.)

I think the body builds were more masculine than anything whiskers-wise in the film. It makes perfect sense that you can clearly see the dwarf women are of their race. I would have liked a little more; I think it would have be nice to see a few dwarf ladies up close.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.



Brethil
Half-elven


Mar 23 2013, 3:49pm

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Hoping for more in EE [In reply to] Can't Post


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I think the body builds were more masculine than anything whiskers-wise in the film. It makes perfect sense that you can clearly see the dwarf women are of their race. I would have liked a little more; I think it would have be nice to see a few dwarf ladies up close.




Two of the tracks on the soundtrack are Dwarven themes (15 and 16, Erebor and ..I think...Fathers of the Dwarves) so I am holding out hopes of seeing more interior and everyday shots in Erebor's history, which maybe will show us some Dwarven gals - maybe Dis, that would be lovely. I think the look they went with works wonderfully, still feminine but certainly not Elven, so a nice distinction and adds to Dwarven racial individuality.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


ByThorinsBeard
Rohan


Mar 23 2013, 3:59pm

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Yes, more of Erebor in the EE please... [In reply to] Can't Post

I would love to see more of the ladies (including Dis - who must be lovely considering her sons) and dwarf culture as a whole.

Fingers crossed.

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"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.



swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Mar 23 2013, 5:13pm

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [In reply to] Can't Post


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The fact that Tolkien doesn't say anywhere that female Dwarves don't have beards is enough evidence for me to believe they did have beards. Wink He's not one to gloss over those kind of details.

If he says all Dwarves have beards (not indicating gender), then I'm inclined to believe that all Dwarves (male and female) have beards.


I had that same issue with Elvish ears. For years I associated pointy ears with Santa's Little Helpers and maintained loudly that Middle Earth Elves never had pointy ears. I mean, Tolkien never said anything about ears, he said a lot about light in their eyes and such...
Tongue ...then WETA did those lovely Elves with... pointy ears. Shocked

Well...Tolkien never said...

Go outside and play...


imin
Valinor


Mar 23 2013, 5:20pm

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Tolkien never said? :P [In reply to] Can't Post

The Lost Road (History of Middle-earth Volume V): The Etymologies, under LAS-(1) - (*lasse leaf): The Quendian ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than (human).

As others have pointed out as well Tolkien also mentioned specifically female dwarves have beards.


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Mar 23 2013, 5:23pm

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh [In reply to] Can't Post

I missed that bit.

Or forgot it. Tongue

Selective memory.

I swear I've read some of HoME. Really.

derp...

Go outside and play...


imin
Valinor


Mar 23 2013, 5:27pm

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Well to be fair [In reply to] Can't Post

It is one little line so it's easy to miss! - just i remembered it from a very similar discussion on another forum a while ago, lol.

I think though if you don't imagine them with pointed ears then it doesn't really matter does it? Tongue

Plus it doesn't state they have pointed ears in either the hobbit or the lord of the rings - same for hobbit ears (though that is mentioned in his Letters - letter 27).

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Kirly
Lorien


Mar 23 2013, 5:50pm

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Eight theatre viewings with NO laughter for this scene.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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pictures taken while on the tour are here:
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Kirly
Lorien


Mar 23 2013, 5:59pm

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Appearance includes the face and facial hair. [In reply to] Can't Post

Pretty hard to be so similar in appearance to the bearded maile Dwarves that outsiders have difficulty discerning the difference and not have a beard.

My avatar photo is Lake Tekapo in New Zealand's South Island. Taken by me in 2004 on a Red Carpet Tours LOTR Movie Location Tour. 'Twas the Vacation of a Lifetime!

pictures taken while on the tour are here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/Kirly7/LOTRNewZealandTour#


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Mar 23 2013, 9:09pm

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I've never heard a giggle there [In reply to] Can't Post

in 17 viewings. In fact I don't think I've heard anything from the audience there: just pure silence.


ryouko
Lorien

Mar 24 2013, 7:56pm

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Na Vedui
Rohan

Mar 28 2013, 3:01am

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Beard theory [In reply to] Can't Post

This theory is absolutely *not* canon but it solved the Kili (and Ori and Fili) beard issue for meWink:

How about a moult? Some bird species moult before the breeding season into a brighter more attractive plumage, and it seems that the moult is driven by hormones. So...Baby dwarves start off with some fluffy or wispy facial hair - which they keep through childhood. Then during their teenage years (in Dwarf terms, that is), hormones rage, the old fluff goes and the adult beard gradually comes in. Fili is well on the way, with a fine moustache and a respectable small beard; Kili's lost his baby-beard and is getting bristly with his new one (oh hurry up, beard, says Kili); Ori still has his wispy childhood chin-beard but if Nori's hairiness is anything to go by, he will probably have a fine thick adult beard when it comes.

Howzat!

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