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Hugs and stuff

Na Vedui
Rohan

Mar 27 2013, 5:18pm


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I think you're right, and the 19th century them and us-ing included a class element too (ladies' behaviour v "common" women), plus the increasing Victorian primness around drawing attention to the facts of life.

Yes, the Thorin/Bilbo hug is movieverse rather than Tolkien, but it's not out of keeping - I was thinking of things like the tenderness in Sam's relationship with Frodo, and Bilbo crying his eyes out when Thorin dies, and the very clear bonds of affection between the various hobbits themselves, and with Gandalf, and so on - all a million miles away from heap big macho man who daren't show any feelings in case people think he is gay, or weak. "My dear Frodo" - just imagine Azog saying that!!

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At your first viewing, what was your impression of Thorin's angry speech/hug/apology at the end? Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 7 2013, 12:36pm
    Have a look at this thread from a few weeks ago Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 7 2013, 12:44pm
        Missed that Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 7 2013, 12:52pm
    I loved it Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Mar 7 2013, 12:50pm
    You've opened a real can of worms here Riven Delve! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 7 2013, 12:52pm
    I liked the scene Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Mar 7 2013, 1:17pm
    I liked it, a lot. arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 7 2013, 1:33pm
        Thorin's anger Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 7 2013, 5:40pm
            Agreed, Riven Delve Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 7 2013, 6:34pm
    I'm a very hard woman. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Mar 7 2013, 1:35pm
        In addition Shirehorse Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 7 2013, 1:43pm
            Hope Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 8 2013, 12:46am
                Watch for it on DVD Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 8 2013, 12:53am
                    reaction marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Mar 8 2013, 1:51am
                Same! Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 8 2013, 1:43am
    Thorin hug = Sam's speech Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Mar 7 2013, 1:54pm
        Good God... No! Just no! xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Mar 7 2013, 3:23pm
            Just shows... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Mar 7 2013, 3:37pm
                ...one person's cheese is another's fondue? ;-) // dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Mar 7 2013, 4:58pm
                    LOL! Well put! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 7 2013, 5:00pm
                    Haha so true! imin Send a private message to imin Mar 7 2013, 5:10pm
                    More bread please! Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 7 2013, 5:34pm
                    *gets out fondue forks* Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 8 2013, 10:15am
    I loved it DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 7 2013, 2:04pm
        Still it is a cliche! no getting around that. imin Send a private message to imin Mar 7 2013, 3:04pm
            It's more cliché calling the scene cliché, than it is actually a cliché. ;-) DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 7 2013, 4:45pm
                A cliche' in the real world doesn't count. xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Mar 9 2013, 5:03pm
        Loved it as well. Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 7 2013, 4:05pm
    my first impression... andwise Send a private message to andwise Mar 7 2013, 2:58pm
    Strongly disliked it imin Send a private message to imin Mar 7 2013, 3:03pm
        Hate To Say It But I Agree DiveTwin Send a private message to DiveTwin Mar 7 2013, 3:27pm
            Dwalin Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 7 2013, 4:09pm
    I didn't like the music Valandil ed Imladris Send a private message to Valandil ed Imladris Mar 7 2013, 3:21pm
        I agree Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 7 2013, 3:40pm
            What was Shore's original music for it? // imin Send a private message to imin Mar 7 2013, 3:44pm
                I meant Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 7 2013, 3:55pm
                    Oh sorry i misunderstood you imin Send a private message to imin Mar 7 2013, 4:00pm
                        I really wish he had Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 7 2013, 4:25pm
    I loved it! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 7 2013, 4:04pm
    I was spoiled Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Mar 7 2013, 4:40pm
    Reminded me of Gimli and Aragorn at Helm's Deep - SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Mar 7 2013, 4:56pm
        That felt Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 7 2013, 5:42pm
    Martin's reaction saves it. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Mar 7 2013, 6:09pm
        Jarring Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 7 2013, 7:21pm
            Keep in mind the time-stop element Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 7 2013, 7:49pm
                Good point! // Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 7 2013, 7:55pm
                Rationalizations JWPlatt Mar 7 2013, 8:00pm
                    From my view, I feel it is logical and appropriate Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 7 2013, 8:31pm
                        The Hand of Gandalf JWPlatt Mar 7 2013, 8:42pm
            Exactly that. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Mar 7 2013, 7:59pm
    I thought it was fine TheSexyBeard Send a private message to TheSexyBeard Mar 7 2013, 6:19pm
    I really liked it IDLookout Send a private message to IDLookout Mar 7 2013, 6:36pm
    The Anger Hug Is Comedic Cliché JWPlatt Mar 7 2013, 7:50pm
        Very well Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 7 2013, 8:00pm
        Yes, we've all had this conversation before ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Mar 7 2013, 9:33pm
            The Dynamic JWPlatt Mar 7 2013, 10:27pm
            Some people may act like this in real life imin Send a private message to imin Mar 8 2013, 12:19am
        I almost entirely agree. THe only light I can see it in is Thorin having AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 8 2013, 5:36am
    le hug swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Mar 7 2013, 8:20pm
    I fell for Thorin's anger... Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Mar 7 2013, 9:09pm
    I saw it coming even without my elf eyes Barrow-Wight Send a private message to Barrow-Wight Mar 7 2013, 10:29pm
        Good Answer JWPlatt Mar 7 2013, 10:41pm
            wow thanks Barrow-Wight Send a private message to Barrow-Wight Mar 7 2013, 10:46pm
            For the record, I am not against things being cliche' or predictable if they work and are fitting. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 8 2013, 5:55am
                The moment Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 8 2013, 2:30pm
    If I tell you what I think Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 7 2013, 11:57pm
        Please do Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 8 2013, 12:00am
    On second thoughts ... Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 8 2013, 12:11am
        In touch with his femininity Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 8 2013, 12:16am
            much as I like stud muffins *cough* Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 8 2013, 12:26am
                I think Gabriel would be a wonderfull choice Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 8 2013, 12:40am
        He saved his life. That merits hugging. And hugging is not really metrosexual. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 8 2013, 5:57am
            The whole premise of the scene tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Mar 8 2013, 10:02am
                Yes, I saw MF on the Graham Norton Show ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Mar 8 2013, 11:00am
                    This. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Mar 8 2013, 1:02pm
            yes I see what you mean Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 8 2013, 1:24pm
                Sorry, I think you've got that around the wrong way, Elenorflower. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Mar 8 2013, 1:59pm
                    Man-hug hunt Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Mar 26 2013, 11:46pm
                    Shirehorse marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Mar 27 2013, 12:13am
                        To hug or not Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Mar 27 2013, 12:42am
                            Enjoyed your analysis, Na Vedui, ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Mar 27 2013, 4:41pm
                                Hugs and stuff Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Mar 27 2013, 5:18pm
                Please, Captain... JWPlatt Mar 8 2013, 2:30pm
                    ***Applause**** Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 8 2013, 2:36pm
                    Brilliant! Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 8 2013, 3:30pm
                        That is so true! BoromirOfWinterfell Send a private message to BoromirOfWinterfell Mar 8 2013, 6:22pm
                just suggesting ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Mar 13 2013, 6:37pm
                    Anger Hug JWPlatt Mar 13 2013, 7:13pm
                        Talking over my head but ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Mar 13 2013, 8:40pm
                            The Hug JWPlatt Mar 13 2013, 8:43pm
                                I understand what you said JW, I just miss things sometimes ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Mar 13 2013, 11:16pm
                                    Tricks JWPlatt Mar 13 2013, 11:23pm
    I have no idea! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 8 2013, 3:18am
    My reaction Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Mar 8 2013, 5:38am
    Too soon Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Mar 8 2013, 10:45am
        This. Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Mar 8 2013, 10:52am
    One things for sure imin Send a private message to imin Mar 8 2013, 2:34pm
    It was spoiled by a TV spot for me. BoromirOfWinterfell Send a private message to BoromirOfWinterfell Mar 8 2013, 6:21pm
    plenty of things have come across to me in film as cliche, but this wasn't one of them Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 9 2013, 9:58pm
    I think it was too soon Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Mar 9 2013, 10:26pm
        Not bogus, just different dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Mar 11 2013, 3:24pm
    Inevitable dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Mar 11 2013, 3:17pm
    after being as stubborn and blustery as Thorin about these films ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Mar 13 2013, 12:50pm
        Great! arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 13 2013, 1:52pm
        Wonderful! GloryBox Send a private message to GloryBox Mar 13 2013, 5:51pm

 
 
 

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