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Placement of the Bilbo/Gandalf Old Took party flashback in the EE?


Mar 6 2013, 3:05pm

Post #1 of 13 (624 views)
Placement of the Bilbo/Gandalf Old Took party flashback in the EE? Can't Post

Apologies if there's already been discussion on this, but I was thinking about where this scene might go in the extended edition. I think it may follow the shot of the window of Bag End, just after Gandalf says 'It's out there!'. The transition to Bilbo protesting that he can't just go running off into the blue always strikes me as a little odd in the TC, as though he's a little rattled by something. Gandalf prompting Bilbo's memory of his more adventurous side might be the catalyst for this.

I know some people might place it in the 'Good morning' exchange, but I can't really see it. I think it would have more impact in the later scene, as it should serve a purpose in prompting Bilbo to action.

The Grey Pilgrim

Mar 6 2013, 3:11pm

Post #2 of 13 (335 views)
It's really hard to see a place fitting for it in The beginning. It's so jampacked as it is. [In reply to] Can't Post

What you said could work but I cant help but feel it would spoil the rhythm, the cut is pretty rigid. Maybe during the prologue when Bilbo says "And that my dear Frodo is where I come in" after recounting Erebor we could get it inserted between the prologue and the frame story.

Another thing that sorta fits with what you said is that we see Bilbo asleep in the morning after the Misty Mountains song, we hear the dwarves lament and after their song when the camera tilts up to the chimney we could perhaps transiton into a manifestation of Bilbo's own lament and yearningperhaps where the flashback would function as sort of a dream which prompts the dramatic awakening and change of heart the next morning

I feel like its really up for grabs though, I just wanna see it so bad

(This post was edited by The Grey Pilgrim on Mar 6 2013, 3:15pm)


Mar 6 2013, 3:16pm

Post #3 of 13 (323 views)
If not in the prologue, it could also happen once Bilbo is back in his house [In reply to] Can't Post

hiding from Gandalf and rattled by the experience. There could be a moment after seeing his uninvited visitor move along (easing on down the road, to quote another genre movie) where he shakes his head in disbelief at the fact that Gandalf has just come by after so many years (not only still alive, but unchanged by the decades), and might slip into memory. A bemused huff and chuckle to self, "Gandalf The Wizard!" (insert memory). "Yes. Yes, I do remember you. . . but I am not the rambunctious little hobbit you seem to recall." And off to market.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on Mar 6 2013, 3:18pm)


Mar 6 2013, 3:19pm

Post #4 of 13 (289 views)
I like this idea [In reply to] Can't Post

That it appears as a flashback-dream when Bilbo goes to bed. When he awakes, he's also waking up his Took-ish side.

The Grey Pilgrim

Mar 6 2013, 3:19pm

Post #5 of 13 (287 views)
That sounds interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

I've always felt The part of the film between Gandalf's arrival and the unexpected party was missing something and happened far too quickly. We could perhaps see him recall it like you said and then have him shake it off and try and ignore it and then cut to the scene where he is preparing dinner and Bam! The Dwarves arrive


Mar 6 2013, 3:22pm

Post #6 of 13 (277 views)
Great idea [In reply to] Can't Post

A smooth transition of the Shire night sky to an evening party could work very well indeed. I hadn't thought of that one.

In any case I think we're generally in agreement then that the scene will have to go after the 'Good morning' sequence (at least once Bilbo retreats back into Bag End).


Mar 6 2013, 3:23pm

Post #7 of 13 (292 views)
Well we'll definitely have something new here... [In reply to] Can't Post

The Bilbo in the marketplace sequence will for sure separate Gandalf's initial visit and Bilbo sitting down to have dinner.

The Grey Pilgrim

Mar 6 2013, 3:25pm

Post #8 of 13 (286 views)
Oh Yes you're right. [In reply to] Can't Post

We have to see the legendary Fredegar Chubb!


Mar 6 2013, 4:47pm

Post #9 of 13 (252 views)
Probably making this up ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Is Gandalf watching (or just present) in the market place scene? I seem to remember reading this somewhere ...

Tol Eressea

Mar 6 2013, 5:03pm

Post #10 of 13 (258 views)
Exactly - the fish Bilbo prepares for his dinner... [In reply to] Can't Post

...is the one he bought from Chubb in the market!

"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Victoria Monfort


Mar 6 2013, 5:29pm

Post #11 of 13 (222 views)
That would work! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd love that.Cool


Mar 6 2013, 6:30pm

Post #12 of 13 (196 views)
It could flow visually [In reply to] Can't Post

right from that look after Martin wrinkles his nose.

Tol Eressea

Mar 6 2013, 6:39pm

Post #13 of 13 (204 views)
That was a fresh fish too [In reply to] Can't Post

It was caught that day by a member of the crew I believe

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13


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