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Cirashala
Bree
Mar 6, 11:06pm
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I honestly think that Bilbo stood with the elvenking for a couple reasons:
1. He had always been fascinated by elves
2. he had seen Thorin go mad (and Thorin banished him so it would be risking death to join the dwarves)
3. He undoubtedly felt very guilty for stealing food from the elvenking's halls during the dwarves' imprisonment (a feeling that was proven when Bilbo "paid" the elvenking for his "er, hospitality" with the emerald necklace after the battle
4. He had little understanding of politics and as such probably was not as aware of the strife between elves and dwarves, or if he was aware probably didn't understand it as it was not in his capacity as a kind, gentle soul of a hobbit to understand complex things like hate and greed and gold lust
5. His treatment in Rivendell may have led him to assume that all elves are generally nice and wise, and thus his first impression may have misled his impressions of Thranduil
6. He may have been impressed that they elves were willing to aid the people of Laketown and also aid in the battle.
All in all, I believe that Bilbo did not understand a lot of the complexities that we do (as more learned and outside observers who know the whole story), and as such his decision to stand with the elvenking during the battle is something that I would understand from his perspective, even if I personally think that Thranduil isn't the "perfect" elvenking that Bilbo believes him to be (meaning I think he is a bit of a greedy jerk too-and perhaps his personality is too similar to Thorin's and so they may see each other's faults in the other and are far too alike to get along!)
Half Elven Daughter of Celethian of the Woodland Realm
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What is going to happen with Thranduil now...? (Spoilers)
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Marionette
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Mar 4, 6:21pm
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Thranduil is a bit of a rotter anyway
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DanielLB
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Mar 4, 6:32pm
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Yeah
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Marionette
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Mar 4, 6:55pm
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The Elvenking is lovely!
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dormouse
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Mar 4, 6:59pm
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Thranduil comes across far less jerk-y in the book than in the film
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DanielLB
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Mar 4, 7:04pm
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I agree. In the book Thranduil
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Elenorflower
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Mar 4, 11:31pm
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Sorry, couldn't disagree more!
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macfalk
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Mar 4, 7:53pm
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He does give them plenty of food and water (not to mention shelter away from the spiders!)
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DanielLB
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Mar 4, 8:15pm
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sorry macfalk
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Elenorflower
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Mar 4, 11:39pm
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The Elvenking was one of the good guys
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Finrod
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Mar 5, 1:45am
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Also, Thranduil was very fond and respectful of Gandalf, and that is a mark of good character
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5, 10:00pm
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I disagree
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marillaraina
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Mar 5, 2:18am
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I think the imprisonment situation was epicly sad
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Escapist
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Mar 5, 2:24am
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I don't know
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marillaraina
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Mar 5, 2:33am
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Well, you see, I've always read it completely the other way
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dormouse
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Mar 5, 11:05am
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About captors. . . I must disagree. It matters how they treat, though I agree the isolation
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5, 9:58pm
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You fail to take into account the power of a pretty face. lol. And of enchanting presence.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5, 10:06pm
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Actually that's kind of my point
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marillaraina
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Mar 6, 12:50am
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They were reasons. Whether or not they were good reasons is another matter.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 6, 1:14am
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Bilbo and the elvenking
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Cirashala
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Mar 6, 11:06pm
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You leave out one, but very vital detail
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macfalk
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Mar 5, 8:32am
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He aint tresspassing until he refuses to leave as requested by the owner of the land.
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 5, 9:52am
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Yeah
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macfalk
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Mar 5, 10:20am
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I agree
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imin
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Mar 5, 1:06pm
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no sorry you are wrong
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Elenorflower
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Mar 5, 1:36pm
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Investigate? Duty?
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macfalk
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Mar 5, 2:00pm
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Dwarves and Elves
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Elenorflower
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Mar 5, 2:27pm
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I never said he was there for war and plunder.
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macfalk
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Mar 5, 3:42pm
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Perhaps Thorin and Thranduil have more in common than is good for them
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Brethil
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Mar 4, 7:28pm
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Or for killing his stag in Mirkwood. Which isn't an unlikely speculation IMO //
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QuackingTroll
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Mar 4, 7:46pm
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Another thought about Thranduil finding out the purpose of why they are in Mirwkood
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DanielLB
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Mar 4, 8:08pm
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I think the spell just knocks him out, doesn't it?
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dormouse
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Mar 4, 11:25pm
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In the book, I presume so.
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DanielLB
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Mar 5, 9:31am
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No idea
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Rostron2
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Mar 4, 7:02pm
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I'm Thinking
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Dwarf Cupcake
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Mar 4, 11:05pm
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A thought on Thranduil that doesn't have much to do with his future
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Riven Delve
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Mar 5, 9:59pm
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Re: Thranduil in DoS
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dik-dik
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Mar 6, 1:29pm
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