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Faulty logic

SirDennisC
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Feb 28 2013, 7:23pm


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Faulty logic [In reply to] Can't Post

(not that I don't succumb to it from time to time myself)

If you read the letter from Carolyn Blackwood (NLC), the places they were considering moving to have labour peace inside their respective film industries precisely because of union negotiated contracts. She named a location specifically that was even covered by an MEAA contract as being more desirable than dealing with the situation in NZ.

Regardless, NZ ended up enforcing labour peace legislatively; as labour peace appeared to be the issue, there should be no reason for productions to stay away from NZ.

As for the conclusions you have drawn about the economic effect of unions, I don't want to get into that... except to say that where I live the industrial base (and the film industry) has been decimated over the past decade because of the removal of certain trade protections, which is exactly what the unions warned would happen when the government sought to remove those protections in the first place.

If you read all the emails, you will see that the union's initial goal was to attempt to address how visa/work permits were being granted with the aim of protecting NZ's domestic film industry against WB bringing in whomever they wanted, for whatever reason. In any event, trade protection is a complicated issue, one driven by ideology and global capital, and therefore not really appropriate to get into here.

A discussion about residuals on the other hand seems fair game. I think there was an interest in keeping as much of the revenue pie in NZ as possible (both on PJ and the union's parts)... and why not? The films were made mostly by NZers, they should benefit most. Right?

But more importantly, there had been a fight about residuals (royalties?) after LOTR. Some "named extras" -- who were really actors with proper roles, such as Gamling et al -- believed they should be entitled to extra income for the use of their image for things not directly promoting the film, such as action figures and such. (I saw Viggo, Bloom, McKellan, Wood, and Lee's images on a LOTR slot machine recently... I wonder if they'll get a cut of that action?) Anyway, trying to settle that issue up front was reasonable as it was an attempt to establish peace from the outset rather than during or after the fact.


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Feb 28 2013, 7:27pm)

Subject User Time
pre filming industrial information released ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 26 2013, 1:09am
    Link to story and the files, Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Feb 26 2013, 1:54am
    Interesting Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 26 2013, 2:42am
        They wanted people to be contractually considered employees ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 26 2013, 2:49am
            What cannot be said in public? Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Feb 26 2013, 5:46am
                There was much more to it than that. ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 26 2013, 8:36am
        What the unions wanted cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Feb 26 2013, 9:28am
            What are residuals? Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Feb 26 2013, 11:34am
                Residuals are... Owain Send a private message to Owain Feb 26 2013, 3:57pm
                    Thanks folks Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 26 2013, 4:41pm
                    Thank you, Owain Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Feb 26 2013, 5:35pm
                        Sure, no problem.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Feb 26 2013, 7:11pm
                            Council of Trade Unions statement. Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Feb 26 2013, 7:41pm
            What the unions wanted......... Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Feb 26 2013, 7:46pm
                It's in the documents released yesterday ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 26 2013, 11:33pm
                    No, and I'd love Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Feb 26 2013, 11:48pm
                        An aussie trying to underarm bowl us ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 27 2013, 2:31am
                        Here you go -- SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 27 2013, 3:43am
                    That's known as Chinese Whispers. Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Feb 27 2013, 4:49am
    I don't see how this changes anything SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 27 2013, 3:38am
        Stuff is not the most reliable source, Starling Send a private message to Starling Feb 27 2013, 4:50am
            Perplexing SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 27 2013, 6:08am
                As far as I understand, Starling Send a private message to Starling Feb 27 2013, 6:40am
                    You keep your opinion about them ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 27 2013, 8:58am
                        Well to me cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Feb 27 2013, 9:30am
                            A friggin men, cameragod ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 27 2013, 10:44am
                            Yes, agreed. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Feb 27 2013, 11:07am
                                It doesn't change SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 27 2013, 1:04pm
                                    Have a look at what Peter was actually saying at the time… cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Feb 27 2013, 5:50pm
                                        I remember that interview -- SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 27 2013, 6:59pm
                                            SirDennisC cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Feb 27 2013, 9:01pm
                                                A reasonable conclusion SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 27 2013, 10:46pm
                                                I don't know very much about all this Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Feb 28 2013, 4:23pm
                                                    Little to no tourism industry? imin Send a private message to imin Feb 28 2013, 4:36pm
                                                        I know NZ is a great tourist destination Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Feb 28 2013, 4:56pm
                                                    Faulty logic SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 28 2013, 7:23pm

 
 
 

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