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IdrilofGondolin
Lorien
Feb 23, 12:11am
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The Wizards are Like Guardian Angels
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I think our discussion is biased by our knowledge. We know where Gandalf and Saruman and Radagast come from but the average movie-goer does not. Their origins are not explained. Even when Gandalf narrates his fight with the Balrog all he says is that he was sent back for a while. The average movie-goer is likely to see all of these characters including Galadriel and Elrond as equal.
Each of them has hidden power and that is referenced in various places in the texts. It is clear by the end of LOTR that Gandalf is the mightiest. But one should also point out that Aragorn is able to wrest the Palantir from Sauron's will and Aragorn is a Numenorean. This incident may show that in ME the maiar are not all powerful.
And in the end it may just be that Gandalf and Galadriel have a special friendship and bond which is being played out in this scene. It was after all Gandalf who brought her the Elessar Stone from oversea when he came to ME.
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Gandalf, Radagast (the Istari in general) and Galadriel, going forward. Hoping Phillipa Boyens et al remember that The Lady is sacred, but the Wizards Divine.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 2:54pm
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Too late for that
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stoutfiles
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Feb 20, 3:53pm
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It can be amended, or at least not exacerbated.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 4:04pm
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Galadriel
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billzy2
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Feb 21, 2:15am
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Agreed
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JWPlatt
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Feb 20, 4:31pm
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is their power relative...
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elevorn
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Feb 20, 5:18pm
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Their power was masked, but still accessible...
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Eleniel
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Feb 20, 6:08pm
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All of your points make sense...
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elevorn
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Feb 20, 6:12pm
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subservient...
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Eleniel
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Feb 20, 7:01pm
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Exactly.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 11:20pm
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The Iceberg Techique and Social Etiquette
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 21, 7:03am
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We do agree on many of these points. And perhaps most of all how wrong that business with The Witch-King was
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 21, 11:15pm
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I don't think any are suggesting, and certainly I am not, that their should be a complete role reversal,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 11:17pm
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Fail utterly is far too strong a turn.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 11:09pm
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Limited but not absent. Their powers were still beyond those of mortal men, even kings, and beyond
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 10:59pm
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I agree
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MorgolKing
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Feb 20, 5:33pm
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Divinity wrapped in humbleness
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 20, 6:50pm
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Agree with this.
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Arannir
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Feb 20, 8:32pm
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In this one instance, it is not so much a matterof him appearing weak, as of the roles and relationships being misconstrued.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 11:39pm
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I am aware of all this...
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Arannir
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Feb 21, 7:03am
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TFP
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Feb 20, 8:21pm
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I didn't really see Gandalf as being subservient to Galadriel
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 21, 12:27am
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How's this for an idea? The Mirror off Galadriel..
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Bombadil
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Feb 21, 9:22am
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Ganfalf - The Humble Servant of Middle Earth
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Black Breathalizer
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Feb 22, 4:58pm
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Can you cite writing
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ElendilTheShort
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Feb 22, 7:21pm
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Very well said.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 22, 11:31pm
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Rather wrong on several points, I fear.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 22, 11:26pm
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Who are these people ?
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 22, 5:09pm
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The Wizards are Like Guardian Angels
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 23, 12:11am
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