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Voices and accents

Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 13 2013, 3:52pm

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Just a quick observation with regard to this subject (I don't know whether it has been raised before on this forum, so apologies if it has).

Special care seems to have been taken to get the voices of the characters right, from Thorin's deep voice and the bonkers sound of the Goblin King, to the ground-shaking noise of Azog's speeches. I like Azog least of the characters in the film, but his voice and use of the Orkish tongue are very impressive.

The wonderful Scottish accents of Dwarves such as Balin and Dwalin (and their deep voices) have also been used to really good effect. I also like what has been done with the Trolls in terms of both their voices and accents, as well as their overall appearance and behaviour. Brian Sibley's 'Movie Guide' (which for me is the best of the books about the film so far) describes how the scenes with the Trolls were filmed, using motion capture. It seems as though the actors and PJ had great fun producing those scenes. I'm not sure how they managed to keep straight faces. Smile


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Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 13 2013, 4:05pm

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I also enjoyed the attention to details in the movie. I love Thorin's deep voice when he sings The Misty Mountain song. Dwalin's voice always sounds rough as you would expect, and the trolls voice was very well done too. The Orcs speech I didn't care much for, but maybe it's because I didn't like Azog that much.

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Angharad73
Rohan

Feb 13 2013, 4:30pm

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The accents and voices of all the characters are very good. I especially like Scottish and Northern Irish accents, for some reason, and there is plenty there to please my ears. The deep voices of some of the dwarves also seem very fitting.


Arandiel
Grey Havens

Feb 13 2013, 5:39pm

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It's interesting to me that between TH and LOTR we've had Scotland, Ireland, Northern England and London represented among the characters' accents - but not Wales. It was planned at one point for the Elves to sound vaguely Welsh, but that changed early on. It's a curious omission, one that I was hoping might be rectified with a dwarf or two, but no such luck. sigh.


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Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 13 2013, 5:47pm

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…Gimli is Welsh. The Welsh accent is not quite as distinctive as the Scottish and Irish accents are – perhaps that's why they don't feature so much in these films?


Arandiel
Grey Havens

Feb 13 2013, 5:55pm

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John Rhys-Davis, is Welsh, but the accent he used was more Scottish-like. I can't put my finger on where in the movie appendices or commentaries that info is, but it's there... somewhere on one of those 12 DVDs... Crazy


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Seaber
Rivendell

Feb 13 2013, 8:51pm

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Welsh is a very hard accent to put on without sounding silly [In reply to] Can't Post

Or so it seems to me, anyway. It is too soft for Gimli, whereas it could have worked well for Dori or Ori.


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Feb 13 2013, 9:52pm

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Is it simply because JR-D is Welsh? As is stated on the DVD commentaries, Gimli's accent is clearly meant to be Scottish. A Welsh accent has far more inflection (sing-song feel) to it.

Oh, and one easy way to tell - if someone calls you "laddie" chances are he's Scottish, whereas a Welshman would call you "Boy-o!" Wink


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glor
Rohan

Feb 13 2013, 10:08pm

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Luke Evans is welsh and sounds very welsh in interviews. It is possible that Bard may have that lyrical welsh voice.


Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 13 2013, 11:16pm

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Why? I guess it is because some people – like me – have forgotten that Gimli's accent is supposed to be Scottish. It is several years since I revisited the LOTR films, and I certainly haven't scrutinised the commentaries on them in great detail. I only remembered that John Rhys-Davies is Welsh because I have seen him in television programmes in the UK.


Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 13 2013, 11:23pm

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'Welsh is a very hard accent to put on without sounding silly.'

Yes – people who are not Welsh and try to speak English with a Welsh accent (as opposed to Welsh, which is a completely different language from English) often sound as though they are speaking English Indian.

A Scottish accent sounds quite romantic to me, while Welsh does not have the same association (though it is quaint, especially when spoken by country people born and bred in Wales).


Súlimë
Rivendell


Feb 14 2013, 2:08am

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It was planned at one point for the Elves to sound vaguely Welsh, but that changed early on.


I love that idea and wish they had kept it! Sindarin is kinda Welsh anyway. It might be hard to pull off convincingly though...


Arandiel
Grey Havens

Feb 14 2013, 4:54am

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Mythopoeia
Bree


Feb 14 2013, 10:45pm

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I loved the voices of pretty much everyone in the film (especially the Dwarves and the Goblins!) but I did crack up laughing the first time I heard Nori talk because it sounds to me like Jed Brophy is just speaking in his regular NZ accent and not even bothering putting on the Irish/Scottish/Northern English sound of the other Dwarves (in contrast to, say, Dean who has to try to sound like Aidan). Is he supposed to sound NZ? I think it's great that he does but wasn't sure Laugh


marillaraina
Rohan

Feb 15 2013, 2:53am

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I loved the voices of pretty much everyone in the film (especially the Dwarves and the Goblins!) but I did crack up laughing the first time I heard Nori talk because it sounds to me like Jed Brophy is just speaking in his regular NZ accent and not even bothering putting on the Irish/Scottish/Northern English sound of the other Dwarves (in contrast to, say, Dean who has to try to sound like Aidan). Is he supposed to sound NZ? I think it's great that he does but wasn't sure Laugh


Aidan and Dean are trying to sound like Richard. Aidan doesn't sound anything like his own accent. I thought they did good jobs, they seem to have a "lighter" version of the accent Richard is using for Thorin which seems to be pretty close to his own. It's probably good for them not to try go too heavy with it as any inconsistencies would just sound more fake.

To be honest at this point I'm not quite what accent Richard is using, it's hard for me to judge how close or not it is to his own. My first impression is that Thorin's accent is close to his own. I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen him do an RP or neutral type accent. I've never listened to any of his audio books, I'm sure he does various ones in some of those. His American wasn't too bad in Captain America, but he only had a couple of lines.

It's easier for some than others I guess. :) Maybe Brophy doesn't have a knack for it. I don't think James Nesbitt has a strong knack for accents other than his own.

And you know I rewatched some scene last night in a youtube clip and I finally realize why someone thought Dwalin was Russian. I wish I could remember the exact line, but Dwalin said something to Thorin and I have to admit, the first couple of words did sound like someone speaking English with a Russian accent. But I hadn't really noticed it before because I was more focused on his sounding Scottish.


Súlimë
Rivendell


Feb 15 2013, 5:39am

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To be honest at this point I'm not quite what accent Richard is using, it's hard for me to judge how close or not it is to his own. My first impression is that Thorin's accent is close to his own. I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen him do an RP or neutral type accent. I've never listened to any of his audio books, I'm sure he does various ones in some of those. His American wasn't too bad in Captain America, but he only had a couple of lines.


I listened to one of his audiobooks and I was surprised at the range of voices he could do. I sometimes forgot it was only one person reading!

I might not know what I'm talking about, but I think Thorin's accent is pretty close to RA's own accent (?)


BalrogTrainer
Rivendell

Feb 17 2013, 2:56am

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It's interesting to note that, apart from Elijah Wood's brief (re)appearance as Frodo, there are no American actors in this trilogy... though Evangeline Lilly is Canadian. Plus, there's the first actor from a non-English-speaking country in the Middle Earth series with Mikael Persbrandt (who is Swedish). It'll be interesting to hear their accents. Will they do the standard English accent, a la Elijah Wood, Viggo Mortenson and Liv Tyler, a sort of Irish brogue a la Sean Astin, or none of the above?


Angharad73
Rohan


Feb 17 2013, 7:30am

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Was that supposed to be Irish? [In reply to] Can't Post

Sean Astin's accent, I mean. I never could quite pin that one down - and it wasn't really like any Irish accent that I'm familiar with.

Accents aren't easy. It's better not to try unless you can pull it off, I think.


BalrogTrainer
Rivendell

Feb 17 2013, 11:17am

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It definitely wasn't his normal speaking voice, though. There were times where it sounded a little Irish (or maybe even Welsh?) to me, e.g. "Bouy roights we shooldn't even be hehre, but we ohre. It's loike in the great stories, Mr. Frodo -- the woanes that really maTTered."... or, at least, an average American actor's approximation of one. Unimpressed Either way, it's the dodgiest accent in the trilogy. But at the same time, I can't help but think it would've sounded even more awkward to have him speak in his normal American voice; it may have stuck out even more.


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arithmancer
Grey Havens

Feb 17 2013, 2:48pm

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The accent Astin and the dialogue coaches were after for Sam was a "West Country" accent. (Which as an American I could not tell from any other...) Astin describes the process of learning it in this interview:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2003/12/22/ign-interviews-sean-astin?page=10


Angharad73
Rohan


Feb 17 2013, 5:46pm

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West Country, as in Gloucester, makes more sense than Irish, although I can't really judge how well he did with that accent.


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Feb 17 2013, 7:25pm

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BalrogTrainer
Rivendell

Feb 17 2013, 11:08pm

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For whatever reason, I always thought he was English. Crazy At any rate, I'd imagine he'd speak in much the same way as Elrond and Galadriel.

 
 

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