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What's it got in its nasty little pocketses?

Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 1 2013, 3:52pm

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What's it got in its nasty little pocketses? Can't Post

Just wondering about something. Every time I see the movie (okay, 15 times so far and still going!), I am struck by the one scene at the end when Bilbo escapes from the Goblin Town. He's getting ready to explain to them how he escaped, is putting his fingers in his pocket, when Gandalf looks at what he's doing and suddenly interrupts with, "What does it matter?" It's almost as if Gandalf suspects he has the ring in his pocket. If so, how would he know? If he doesn't know, why is he interrupting Bilbo so abruptly, as if to divert everyone's attention away from that topic.

Anyone have any thoughts on that?

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Boromir Stark
Rivendell

Feb 1 2013, 4:07pm

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I doubt Gandalf suspected he had THE ring... [In reply to] Can't Post

but it wouldn't be a stretch to think he suspected Bilbo had discovered something in there to help him.

Gandalf probably wanted to keep his suspicions under wraps until he could discern a little more about the situation. His interruption of the Dwarves secured this, and additionally it would have been neither the time nor the place to discuss it at that particular moment.


cats16
Valinor

Feb 1 2013, 4:16pm

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To quote Gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

 "There are many magic rings in this world, Bilbo Baggins, and none of them should be used likely."

I also think Gandalf had an inkling which led him to suspect Bilbo had found something, and seeing him put the ring in his pocket confirmed this thought.


elevorn
Lorien


Feb 1 2013, 4:27pm

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IMHO [In reply to] Can't Post

Like others have said. Gandalf did not have any idea it was the ONE, but just that Bilbo had found A ring and it must have helped him in some way. Feeling there was no need to let the dwarves know, he simply interrupts and moves them along to other things. Besides, if the dwarves knew, they would constantly be asking him to use it somehow. He wants Bilbo to be respected and seen in a better light. No need in spoiling that with the knowledge of some silly magic ring.

On the other hand, if he did have a clue that this could be the One, he definitely doesn't want anyone to know about it at all. I still don't think he had a clue to which ring it was though. He comes to suspect much later and then confirms it when he throws it into Frodo's fireplace.



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bborchar
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 4:51pm

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If he had known... [In reply to] Can't Post

...the book would have ended just like that Hobbit how it should have ended parody...Gandalf would have made sure the ring was taken to Mt. Doom and pitched. I'm sure Gandalf just didn't want to give away Bilbo's secret before Bilbo himself was ready to.


Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 1 2013, 5:16pm

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It didn't seem to me that Bilbo actually took the ring out [In reply to] Can't Post

I never saw that, at least. It looked like he was sticking his fingers in his pocket in order to take it out, but got interrupted by Gandalf before he did.

And yeah, I can see how Gandalf, as some of you suggest, might have suspected Bilbo had something better left unrevealed at the time. It just was a curious moment for me in the movie.

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andwise
Rivendell


Feb 1 2013, 6:31pm

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can you not remember the book...? [In reply to] Can't Post

In the book it says that gandalf suspects that Bilbo has not told the whole truth and that there is something important gone on,PJ has just done this in a 'movie' type way to illustrate to the layman what gandalf is thinking.things like that have to be done because in a book you can spend a paragraph or so describing things that people do or think,not so in a movie.

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FrodoEyes
Rivendell

Feb 1 2013, 8:26pm

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*lightly [In reply to] Can't Post

It's 'And none of them should be used lightly!'

Likely doesn't make any sense

Sorry, just had to point it out! Wink

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Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 1 2013, 8:33pm

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Oh sorry, but no I cannot [In reply to] Can't Post


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In the book it says that gandalf suspects that Bilbo has not told the whole truth and that there is something important gone on,PJ has just done this in a 'movie' type way to illustrate to the layman what gandalf is thinking.things like that have to be done because in a book you can spend a paragraph or so describing things that people do or think,not so in a movie.



remember in the book where it said this. It's all I can do to remember what I had for breakfast these days! LOL! And so I understand the scene if that is how PJ is playing it, but I don't think it's necessarily clear to the layman, as it were, that this is what Gandalf is thinking unless he's assuming that everyone in the audience has read the book and remembers what it said. In any case it certainly wasn't obvious to me, although I've read the book countless times over the years. Perhaps my age is catching up with me! But thanks for that feedback, because it makes sense now.

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)

(This post was edited by Old Toby on Feb 1 2013, 8:36pm)


cats16
Valinor

Feb 1 2013, 9:04pm

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My bad [In reply to] Can't Post

I was typing in a frantic rush lol. Thanks!


ryouko
Lorien

Feb 1 2013, 10:36pm

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He did have it out [In reply to] Can't Post

It took 7 viewings, but on that seventh viewing, I actually saw a very quick glimpse of the ring going into his pocket. Since he'd just slipped it off his finger, it'd make sense that he would still be holding it in his hand. When I watch it again, this weekend, I'll look harder, to make sure that I did actually see the ring being slipped into his pocket.


Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 2 2013, 12:29am

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oh wow, I'll have to look for that [In reply to] Can't Post

in my next viewing. (Which will unfortunately be in regular 2D, so I hope I can see it happening) Thanks for the heads up.

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


ryouko
Lorien

Feb 2 2013, 12:44am

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At your service [In reply to] Can't Post

Glad to be of assistance! ^_^

It took me seven viewings, as I said. I'll see it again on Sunday, so I can be sure of what I saw. Let us know if you see it! I want to be sure it isn't just me.


Steerpike
Bree


Feb 2 2013, 3:01am

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Bilbo is not reaching into his pocket [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo nervously tries to avoid the question of how he got past the goblins and then slips the ring into his pocket, having just taken it off his finger. Gandalf notices this and, realising Bilbo has a secret, helps his keep it by changing the subject.

Gandalf is still in the dark about what Bilbo is hiding, but trusts him enough to know that he probably has a good reason for his secrecy.


burgahobbit
Rohan


Feb 2 2013, 3:10am

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I think this will scene be extended in the EE [In reply to] Can't Post

Possibly with Bilbo telling them the whole story, and then pausing at the part about the ring at which point Gandalf says "What does it matter."

It may be something completely different than that, but either way the scene felt chopped up and I think it will be extended.

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Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 2 2013, 5:00am

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Ah, I see now [In reply to] Can't Post

That makes complete sense to me. Unfortunately I've misinterpreted the entire scene then, since I never saw him slipping the ring into his pocket to begin with. I thought I was seeing him fiddling in his pocket in order to take the ring out! Just goes ta show ya...

Okay, so now I have a 'real' reason to go see it again! Wink

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Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 3 2013, 5:48am

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Saw it this time!! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Glad to be of assistance! ^_^

It took me seven viewings, as I said. I'll see it again on Sunday, so I can be sure of what I saw. Let us know if you see it! I want to be sure it isn't just me.



Yes!! I finally saw it...Bilbo putting the ring back into his pocket! It was only a very brief flash of gold, but it was definitely there. I think you'd have to be paying close attention at that moment to catch it. Um, it's only taken me....let's see now...this is my 16th viewing!! Well, better late than never, eh?

Thanks, everyone, for the feedback on this!

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


Tintallė
Gondor


Feb 3 2013, 5:48pm

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I think not [In reply to] Can't Post

for two reasons: first, because the ring becomes the secret of Bilbo's success as a burglar, and second because the ring itself compels him to be secretive and keep it hidden.

We know from the books that Bilbo does not tell the truth about the ring until much later, by which time it is more of a confession than a story.

 
 

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