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aarondirebear
Bree
Feb 12, 8:45pm
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he's supposed to gain that trust
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It will make the Thorin's decline and his treatment of Bilbo MORE impactful. We can see how much he trusts Bilbo now, and when Bilbo gives the Arkenstone to the "enemy" (in his mind), he will feel even more betrayed. I think this scene added a depth to his character that wasn't there before...he's not just a stoney, would-be king who only cares about reclaiming his kingdom, he has a "soft" side (for lack of a better word) that doesn't come out very often, but it's there. I think this will make his downfall even more heartbreaking, because even though he's stubborn, he's not completely unreasonable...and he will become so with the dragon sickness. He was supposed to gain that trust during the Mirkwood arc.
"Others are inclined to say that any two stories that are built round the same folk-lore motive, or are made up of a generally similar combination of such motives, are "the same stories." Statements of that kind are not true, they are not true in art or literature. It is precisely the colouring, the atmosphere, the unclassifiable individual details of a story, and above all the general purport that informs with life the undissected bones of the plot, that really count." J.R.R. Tolkien
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"Arson, Murder and Life-saving" -- Thorin's cliched speech
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Súlimë
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Jan 30, 10:11am
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I do not see a need to repeat this topic now.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 30, 10:41am
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Sorry...
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Súlimë
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Jan 30, 10:46am
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It is not a repeat.
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dernwyn
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Jan 30, 11:17am
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Thank you
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Súlimë
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Jan 31, 3:30am
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I don't agree, I think it's a separate topic and
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Loresilme
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Jan 30, 2:56pm
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I agree with your thoughts...
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jtarkey
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Jan 30, 10:46am
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Aww I just replied to the "Never been so wrong" thread :)
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Yva
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Jan 30, 11:34am
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Whenever it was added...
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bborchar
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Jan 30, 12:38pm
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I don't wish to derail the thread too much
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Yva
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Jan 30, 2:12pm
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Scene is integral to the script
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arithmancer
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Jan 30, 1:42pm
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I guess you're right
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Yva
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Jan 30, 2:37pm
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If anything...
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bborchar
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Jan 30, 3:01pm
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I was rather referring
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Yva
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Jan 30, 3:27pm
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Bilbo's choice
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arithmancer
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Jan 30, 3:57pm
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he's supposed to gain that trust
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aarondirebear
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Feb 12, 8:45pm
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I think it was planned
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Súlimë
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Jan 30, 2:02pm
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If I remember RAs comment
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Esmeralda
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Jan 30, 2:17pm
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RA is more than capable of much more subtlety
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 30, 10:04pm
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"Thorin is the negation of subtlety"
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Yva
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Jan 30, 11:40pm
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I would clarify?
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 31, 2:08am
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Like a Captain
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glor
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Jan 31, 2:42am
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There are those who hug
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 31, 2:54am
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Effortlessly being Thorin.
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Roheryn
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Jan 31, 7:55am
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yes, RA was Thorin
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Old Toby
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Jan 31, 3:44pm
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Not so good
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stoutfiles
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Jan 30, 1:14pm
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Awww
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Súlimë
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Jan 30, 2:08pm
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The right thing
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Gelir
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Jan 31, 1:39am
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I agree with you about Bilbo and the Arkenstone...
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bborchar
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Jan 31, 2:12am
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Speech validity
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Brethil
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Jan 30, 1:18pm
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Good point!
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Súlimë
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Jan 30, 2:17pm
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This is a good point...
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bborchar
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Jan 30, 2:28pm
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Thanks!
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Brethil
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Jan 30, 8:14pm
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Thanks to O.P.
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Brethil
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Jan 30, 8:30pm
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That rates a "mod-up"!
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 30, 10:22pm
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Much appreciated Kangi Ska
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Brethil
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Jan 31, 12:52am
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Great post!
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Gelir
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Jan 31, 1:22am
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useful insights!
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swordwhale
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Jan 31, 7:04am
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Loved the scene, especially Thorin's speech.
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arithmancer
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Jan 30, 1:25pm
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Awww
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Súlimë
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Jan 31, 7:43am
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I should never have replied to the post in the other thread, haha
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imin
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Jan 30, 2:54pm
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It actually fooled me.
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hutch
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Jan 30, 9:09pm
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I liked it too, but also wanted to share
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Loresilme
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Jan 30, 3:34pm
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That's interesting!
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Súlimë
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Jan 31, 4:16am
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Too soon perhaps?
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CathrineB
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Jan 30, 3:34pm
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Maybe... but...
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Súlimë
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Jan 31, 7:51am
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Grumpy is OK
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arithmancer
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Jan 31, 2:02pm
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My bad
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Súlimë
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Feb 1, 8:12am
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Move on this topic has been beat to death
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Rostron2
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Jan 30, 3:39pm
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We don't manage our discussions that way.
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entmaiden
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Jan 30, 7:36pm
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Understood //
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Rostron2
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Jan 30, 10:29pm
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2D and 3D
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mefansmum
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Jan 30, 4:09pm
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Did you view it first in 3D HFR? //
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imin
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Jan 30, 4:22pm
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That's interesting
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Súlimë
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Jan 31, 7:50am
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I took this speech as
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Arandiel
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Jan 31, 5:42am
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I think
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Súlimë
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Jan 31, 7:56am
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I'm not sure...
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Roheryn
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Jan 31, 9:56am
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My impression of Thorin is similar,
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Arandiel
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Jan 31, 7:59pm
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You're probably right
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Súlimë
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Feb 1, 7:56am
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Wasn't in the book
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aarondirebear
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Feb 12, 8:42pm
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