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he's supposed to gain that trust

aarondirebear
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Feb 12 2013, 8:45pm


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It will make the Thorin's decline and his treatment of Bilbo MORE impactful. We can see how much he trusts Bilbo now, and when Bilbo gives the Arkenstone to the "enemy" (in his mind), he will feel even more betrayed. I think this scene added a depth to his character that wasn't there before...he's not just a stoney, would-be king who only cares about reclaiming his kingdom, he has a "soft" side (for lack of a better word) that doesn't come out very often, but it's there. I think this will make his downfall even more heartbreaking, because even though he's stubborn, he's not completely unreasonable...and he will become so with the dragon sickness.


He was supposed to gain that trust during the Mirkwood arc.

"Others are inclined to say that any two stories that are built round the same folk-lore motive, or are made up of a generally similar combination of such motives, are "the same stories." Statements of that kind are not true, they are not true in art or literature. It is precisely the colouring, the atmosphere, the unclassifiable individual details of a story, and above all the general purport that informs with life the undissected bones of the plot, that really count." J.R.R. Tolkien

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"Arson, Murder and Life-saving" -- Thorin's cliched speech Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 30 2013, 10:11am
    I do not see a need to repeat this topic now. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 30 2013, 10:41am
        Sorry... Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 30 2013, 10:46am
        It is not a repeat. dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 30 2013, 11:17am
            Thank you Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 31 2013, 3:30am
        I don't agree, I think it's a separate topic and Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 30 2013, 2:56pm
    I agree with your thoughts... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jan 30 2013, 10:46am
    Aww I just replied to the "Never been so wrong" thread :) Yva Send a private message to Yva Jan 30 2013, 11:34am
        Whenever it was added... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 30 2013, 12:38pm
            I don't wish to derail the thread too much Yva Send a private message to Yva Jan 30 2013, 2:12pm
        Scene is integral to the script arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 30 2013, 1:42pm
            I guess you're right Yva Send a private message to Yva Jan 30 2013, 2:37pm
                If anything... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 30 2013, 3:01pm
                    I was rather referring Yva Send a private message to Yva Jan 30 2013, 3:27pm
                        Bilbo's choice arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 30 2013, 3:57pm
                    he's supposed to gain that trust aarondirebear Send a private message to aarondirebear Feb 12 2013, 8:45pm
        I think it was planned Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 30 2013, 2:02pm
        If I remember RAs comment Esmeralda Send a private message to Esmeralda Jan 30 2013, 2:17pm
        RA is more than capable of much more subtlety Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 30 2013, 10:04pm
            "Thorin is the negation of subtlety" Yva Send a private message to Yva Jan 30 2013, 11:40pm
                I would clarify? Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 31 2013, 2:08am
                    Like a Captain glor Send a private message to glor Jan 31 2013, 2:42am
                        There are those who hug Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 31 2013, 2:54am
                Effortlessly being Thorin. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 31 2013, 7:55am
                    yes, RA was Thorin Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 31 2013, 3:44pm
    Not so good stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 30 2013, 1:14pm
        Awww Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 30 2013, 2:08pm
            The right thing Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Jan 31 2013, 1:39am
                I agree with you about Bilbo and the Arkenstone... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 31 2013, 2:12am
    Speech validity Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jan 30 2013, 1:18pm
        Good point! Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 30 2013, 2:17pm
            This is a good point... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 30 2013, 2:28pm
            Thanks! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jan 30 2013, 8:14pm
                Thanks to O.P. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jan 30 2013, 8:30pm
        That rates a "mod-up"! Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 30 2013, 10:22pm
            Much appreciated Kangi Ska Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jan 31 2013, 12:52am
        Great post! Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Jan 31 2013, 1:22am
        useful insights! swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 31 2013, 7:04am
    Loved the scene, especially Thorin's speech. arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 30 2013, 1:25pm
        Awww Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 31 2013, 7:43am
    I should never have replied to the post in the other thread, haha imin Send a private message to imin Jan 30 2013, 2:54pm
        It actually fooled me. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 30 2013, 9:09pm
    I liked it too, but also wanted to share Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 30 2013, 3:34pm
        That's interesting! Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 31 2013, 4:16am
    Too soon perhaps? CathrineB Send a private message to CathrineB Jan 30 2013, 3:34pm
        Maybe... but... Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 31 2013, 7:51am
            Grumpy is OK arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 31 2013, 2:02pm
                My bad Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 1 2013, 8:12am
    Move on this topic has been beat to death Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 30 2013, 3:39pm
        We don't manage our discussions that way. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 30 2013, 7:36pm
            Understood // Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 30 2013, 10:29pm
    2D and 3D mefansmum Jan 30 2013, 4:09pm
        Did you view it first in 3D HFR? // imin Send a private message to imin Jan 30 2013, 4:22pm
        That's interesting Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 31 2013, 7:50am
    I took this speech as Arandiel Send a private message to Arandiel Jan 31 2013, 5:42am
        I think Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 31 2013, 7:56am
            I'm not sure... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 31 2013, 9:56am
                My impression of Thorin is similar, Arandiel Send a private message to Arandiel Jan 31 2013, 7:59pm
                You're probably right Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 1 2013, 7:56am
    Wasn't in the book aarondirebear Send a private message to aarondirebear Feb 12 2013, 8:42pm

 
 
 

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