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So...how do you begin the next film
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nhui06
Rivendell

Jan 22 2013, 4:50pm

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Very good proposal [In reply to] Can't Post

This is probably the best one yet; like your reference about Azog saying he reeked of fear like his father. Question is if Thrain ran off in the Battle by Moria, how did Thorin end up finding his father, and why does Thorin only refer to his Grandfather and not talk about his own dad?

Still I like the idea of the intro being a shot of Dol Guldur and seeing Azog and Bolg (with a small pack of orcs) torturing Thrain, and then Gandalf scaring the orcs to save Thrain (hence the whole 'I thought Dol Guldur was abandoned; heck they can even show Gandalf taking a short look around before he leaves). He then tends to Thrain, who with his dying breath gives the key and map, and whispers 'Thorin'.

This ties up the plot holes of 1.) Thrain revealed Thorin is alive in his torture, hence Azog's pursuit, and 2.) why Gandalf looked shocked when Radagast revealed of his findings in Dol Guldur since Gandalf thought he cleared that place out.


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Rohan

Jan 22 2013, 5:24pm

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The One, The Nazguls, Sauron at Dol-Guldur, a dwarven Ring, Galadriel and her Ring... [In reply to] Can't Post

All in the Hobbit.
U don't know wht you think, but I consider the Hobbit and LOTR the same story...

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One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Jan 22 2013, 5:40pm

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Gandalf meeting Young Bilbo. [In reply to] Can't Post

Since Ian McKellen said that such a scene was filmed, and I'd rather it not be included in the extended edition of AUJ, I'd say throw it at the start of film two. I think it's smartest to stick to keeping an upbeat nature to the openings. I'd personally find it strange to see the opening 'Hobbit' title card against the Concerning Hobbits cue and then go to something grim like Dol Guldur. First and foremost, this is a more traditional fantasy story for children. There's time to scare them senseless later on.

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(This post was edited by One Ringer on Jan 22 2013, 5:44pm)


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 22 2013, 5:48pm

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Or Gandalf dreams [In reply to] Can't Post

he missed falling out of the tree AND landing on the eagle AND keeps falling AND bursts into flames AND lands in the water.... which wakes him up in a startled fit only to look around AND realizes he's on top of a rock pile AND sees a bunch of snoring Dwarves AND a hobbit!

OR

Everyone's walking through a field of flowers with twittering birds flying around. ;)



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bborchar
Rohan

Jan 22 2013, 6:12pm

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I'm not sure the openings are "upbeat" [In reply to] Can't Post

FotR - Sauron tries to destroy Middle Earth, is defeated, but then the ring is lost and goes to Bilbo
TTT - Gandalf fighting Balrog as he's falling
RotK - How Smeagol becomes Gollum
AUJ - How the dwarves are killed and run out of their own kingdom by a dragon

...if anything, I think all of the openings answer important questions about the plot, while setting up the events of the film. I guess the best way to describe them would be as prologues.


MistyMountain
Lorien

Jan 22 2013, 6:16pm

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want to see more of RA? [In reply to] Can't Post

Go get season 8 of MI-5. One of the early episodes where his character's torturer (RA's character, Lucas North, was imprisoned for 8 years in a Russian prison) turns up in England. Let's just say you get to see ALL the tattoos that he seemed to have acquired during his incarceration also. *blushes just thinking about it*


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jan 22 2013, 6:24pm

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None of that is The Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

Not the book that I read anyway. I know we're getting far more than the book, but that doesn't make those things actually a part of the story.

Like I said, I'd like to see the forging of the rings in the LOTR movies - where I feel it belongs.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


Rostron2
Gondor


Jan 22 2013, 6:33pm

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Now having read these [In reply to] Can't Post

I tend to go along with the idea that we'll go back to Thrain and Gandalf's meeting. It's important to both the plot of The Hobbit, and the subplot of the Necromancer. It also helps set up Gandalf's departure from the company.

As far as Beorn/goblin/warg torture scenes go, I think someone needs to think of the children here...

Gollum's torture scene was handled almost off-screen.


One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Jan 22 2013, 7:29pm

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I wasn't referring to LotR, [In reply to] Can't Post

and I also wasn't referring to the Erebor sequence, but moreso Bilbo in Bag End preparing to write the story, and the overall attitude of the movie you get right from the get-go. I'd even consider RotK's prologue in line with what I'm saying. Sure, it follows through with a murder scene, but the initial sensation is far more cheerful than the 'melancholy' (for lack of a better term) of the first two. It's just my preference, and I'm sure I won't care how it starts when the time comes, but if I can only have it one way it'd be away from Dol Guldur and more focused on Bilbo.

FOTR 10th Anniversary Music Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33xJU3AIwsg

"You do not let your eyes see nor your ears hear, and that which is outside your daily life is not of account to you. Ah, it is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all; and if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain."


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Rohan

Jan 23 2013, 1:53am

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Welll... we are getting more than the Hobbit, that's just a fact. [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess you are upset with the the presence of Dol Guldur/ White council stuff too because they are not in the book...
Thank God they developed a bit the story.

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Jan 23 2013, 4:40am

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So far [In reply to] Can't Post

I've not been impressed with the white council material. But whether or not it impressed me doesn't negate the fact that it's not a part of the story of the book. I'm glad many people are enjoying this adaptation, but it's not doing it for me.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


The Mitch King
Rohan


Jan 23 2013, 8:08pm

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Please no [In reply to] Can't Post

Don't worry about what kids will think....if the movies were made for kids they wouldn't make near the money they do....or be entertaining in my opinion. Mad


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 23 2013, 8:23pm

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Well, [In reply to] Can't Post

Did you find AUJ entertaining? The book was written for children, and the movie was made to appeal to a broad audience--adults and children. it's a great way to introduce children to Middle-earth and eventually Lord of the Rings. Parents are willing to shell out the money so their kids can see the movie, and adults, including parents, are among those who are making the box office totals up to $920,000,000 (last time I checked).


There it is: dwarves are not heroes, but calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money; some are tricky and treacherous and pretty bad lots; some are not, but are decent enough people like Thorin and Company, if you don't expect too much.


The Mitch King
Rohan


Jan 24 2013, 4:11am

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Who brings who [In reply to] Can't Post


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Did you find AUJ entertaining? The book was written for children, and the movie was made to appeal to a broad audience--adults and children. it's a great way to introduce children to Middle-earth and eventually Lord of the Rings. Parents are willing to shell out the money so their kids can see the movie, and adults, including parents, are among those who are making the box office totals up to $920,000,000 (last time I checked).


Yep i was entertained (because it wasn't child tailored) BUT I think your backwards here. Children aren't pulling parents to the movie ill bet (obviously there is outliers). Parents aren't "shelling" out money for their kids to see it....Parents are shelling out money so THEY can see it (thanks to the mostly non-childish tone). Watch the trailers again.... they are pretty serious.


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 24 2013, 4:09pm

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Haha! [In reply to] Can't Post

You've got a point, unless you've got kids who actually have read the Hobbit without their parents introducing them to it. However most of the parents I know ARE taking their kids to see it (and seeing it themselves :)

There it is: dwarves are not heroes, but calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money; some are tricky and treacherous and pretty bad lots; some are not, but are decent enough people like Thorin and Company, if you don't expect too much.


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 24 2013, 4:13pm

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Low energy flashback [In reply to] Can't Post

The Hobbiton flashback with Gandalf and the Old Took and Belladonna Baggins with her adorable chubby little son (Bilbo), excited about Gandalf's stories about Dragons and clapping at fireworks...then back into "present day" with Bilbo wistfully longing for home and the tea-kettle and wishing he had never met Gandalf.

There it is: dwarves are not heroes, but calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money; some are tricky and treacherous and pretty bad lots; some are not, but are decent enough people like Thorin and Company, if you don't expect too much.

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