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Azog is fine in the story.

The Red Avenger
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Jan 28 2013, 6:34pm


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Azog is there because the film needs a protagonist. I don't see a problem with it - it brings Thorin's arc regarding Bilbo to conclusion as Thorin does not trust Bilbo or think he will survive. He is very dismissive of him. He has a history with Azog - infact Tolkien himself wrote how he was the great enemy of Durin's folk..Having him survive gives Thorin a real nemesis - we aren't getting to Smaug yet, so we need something to build up the tension. Even the Great Goblin uses the fact that Azog is alive to torment Thorin and that he sends his scribe to get a message to Azog he has him captive. The hunt on the dwarves is there to bring urgency to the journey. The final confrontation is there to show that Thorin is not strong enough yet to del with zog, the fact that Bilbo saves Thorin from death despite his size, he has a great heart. Something Thorin is forced to reconcile with att he end.

Without Azog - you have a fairly standard journey with a few mishaps. No real tension to speak of and as a standalone film (yes I know it isn't really) gives the film a proper conclusion. There are more plot strands left dangling though - the Necromancer, the Arkenstone (featured heavily in the prologue) and of course Smaug himself. They've also set up the mistrust of the dwarves and elves so when that lot meet, it will already have been explained.

My brother who had not read any of the books enjoyed it and when I told him Azog isn't in the book as he is dead, what did you make of him? He said "Well you need a villain, for Thorin to complete his emotional journey." so in that case it works for the non-book fan.

Like I said, I don't have a problem with it. It could be interesting if he is called back to the Battle of Dol Guldur and perishes, therefore leaving Bolg to take over his legacy in the Battle of Five Armies.

As for stretching the story, The Hobbit itself is tonally different from LOTR but gets closer near the end. Tolkien is less descriptive of events in The Hobbit - and hardly goes into detail where the dwarves are concerned. At least now you can name all 13 dwarves without thinking hard as they are all individually recognisable in the film.

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Would the film have worked without Azog's revenge plot? LordElrond Send a private message to LordElrond Jan 19 2013, 12:41am
    I liked the addition of Azog... TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 19 2013, 2:12am
    Did the book work without Azog's revenge plot? stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 19 2013, 2:21am
        Yes, movies have been criticized for being too close to the book. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 19 2013, 2:28am
            I figured that was largely due to the books themselves stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 19 2013, 2:48am
        Agreed! TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 19 2013, 2:33am
            But what about the many changes he made to LotR? Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 19 2013, 2:45am
                A lot of people hate that too stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 19 2013, 2:52am
                    I hope that too... however, TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 19 2013, 2:55am
                Don't get me started on LOTR! TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 19 2013, 2:52am
                    I actually like the LOTR changes much more than the AUJ ones. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 19 2013, 2:58am
                        It does seem TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 19 2013, 3:12am
                            Co-writers... Jabarkis Send a private message to Jabarkis Jan 19 2013, 5:28am
                                I am inclined to agree with this. I think Boyens is considered the resident expert, and AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19 2013, 6:18am
                                    Or 20% of the people on TORN Jabarkis Send a private message to Jabarkis Jan 19 2013, 11:43am
                                        I'm not sure that's fair Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Jan 19 2013, 1:48pm
                                            Did they pronounce Dain the correct way in the film? imin Send a private message to imin Jan 19 2013, 2:03pm
                                            Perfectly said Eledhwen! Noria Send a private message to Noria Jan 19 2013, 2:22pm
                                        Tolkien rolled his rs Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jan 19 2013, 5:33pm
                                    Well... Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jan 19 2013, 11:58am
                                        he is being employed by those people imin Send a private message to imin Jan 19 2013, 12:08pm
                                            True, but Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jan 19 2013, 1:32pm
                                                my gosh protective of PJ much? lol. imin Send a private message to imin Jan 19 2013, 1:46pm
                                        Lee hardly has high standards... Jabarkis Send a private message to Jabarkis Jan 19 2013, 12:41pm
    Well.... Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 19 2013, 3:50am
    It definitely would have worked for me Al Carondas Send a private message to Al Carondas Jan 19 2013, 3:52am
        I think thats actually the problem... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Jan 19 2013, 5:38am
            *mods up* Al Carondas Send a private message to Al Carondas Jan 19 2013, 1:14pm
    Wouldn't say necessary. Grant Send a private message to Grant Jan 19 2013, 4:24am
    Yes, it would have. See Bolg. A Dwarven War of vengeance fulfilled with the death of Azog AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19 2013, 4:29am
    the plot thickens swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 19 2013, 6:29am
    Would the 2nd movie have worked post smaug and would 2 movies have worked. Michelle Johnston Jan 19 2013, 6:35am
    I doubt it thirdeblue Send a private message to thirdeblue Jan 19 2013, 1:09pm
        eh? Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jan 19 2013, 6:40pm
    it would have been so much better without Azog. Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jan 19 2013, 6:31pm
        Fake peril? dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jan 19 2013, 7:07pm
            Fake peril? good thought... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Jan 19 2013, 8:29pm
                I see this... Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 20 2013, 12:34am
            yes I realize there were wargs in the book, Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jan 19 2013, 10:24pm
    Yeah, it would have Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 19 2013, 8:49pm
    Writers Probably Thought Azog Necessary IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Jan 20 2013, 10:02pm
        Azog is fine in the story. The Red Avenger Send a private message to The Red Avenger Jan 28 2013, 6:34pm

 
 
 

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