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Elves and alcohol

Radagast's Lead Bunny
Rivendell

Jan 17 2013, 9:23pm

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In the book, Bilbo manage to steal the keys because the elves are drunk.

But in the extended edition, RotK I think, there is a drinking contest between Gimli and Legolas, and Legolas do not seem to be affected by alcohol at all.

Discrepancy ?


Macfeast
Rohan


Jan 17 2013, 9:29pm

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"Dorwinion wine, stronger than anything else in Middle-earth". [In reply to] Can't Post

One line, problem solved. It is actually suggested in the book that this wine is particularly potent, being able to make an elf drowsy.


(This post was edited by Macfeast on Jan 17 2013, 9:34pm)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jan 17 2013, 9:31pm

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Cheers! [In reply to] Can't Post

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tupps
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Jan 17 2013, 9:32pm

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I had the same thought the other day! I'm guessing PJ will do one of two things: forget the whole thing happened, or say "elf wine" and pretend it's special and just call it good.

Or have some needlessly cinematic escape instead.


Kimtc
Rohan

Jan 17 2013, 9:37pm

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I think you have it right [In reply to] Can't Post


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I had the same thought the other day! I'm guessing PJ will do one of two things: forget the whole thing happened, or say "elf wine" and pretend it's special and just call it good.

Or have some needlessly cinematic escape instead.


While I like your first idea, just for levity's sake, I bet that it will be something more along the latter. Especially given what we have seen in the vlogs of the barrel sequence, it looks to be action oriented.


Lightice
Lorien

Jan 17 2013, 9:40pm

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The whole concept of "elves can't get drunk" comes from this scene! [In reply to] Can't Post


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I had the same thought the other day! I'm guessing PJ will do one of two things: forget the whole thing happened, or say "elf wine" and pretend it's special and just call it good.


It specifies that how it's usually nigh-impossible to get a wood elf drunk, which undoubtedly was what inspired PJ to create the drinking contest to his LotR to begin with, but this particular wine happens to be especially strong and drunk from unusually large tankards. PJ will probably throw in a subtle reference to his earlier scene concerning elves and drunkenness as a joke for those who remember the original trilogy.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jan 17 2013, 11:20pm

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How could you guys miss this? [In reply to] Can't Post

Dwarves like beer
Elves like wine?


LordMaximus
Rivendell


Jan 17 2013, 11:22pm

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Maybe Bilbo will try some when he is scavenging for food and pass out? :P // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Lightice
Lorien

Jan 17 2013, 11:24pm

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Better yet, a dwarf. [In reply to] Can't Post

I could see one of the dwarves taking a sip of liquid courage before sealing himself in a barrel and dropping like a stone. That would be pretty typical PJ-brand humour.


LordMaximus
Rivendell


Jan 17 2013, 11:25pm

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Too easy to predict! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Al Carondas
The Shire

Jan 18 2013, 12:15am

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"It must be potent wine to make a wood-elf drowsy" [In reply to] Can't Post

writes Tolkien. But I wouldn't say that is "nigh impossible", Lightice. I think that PJ has inadvertently set a snare for himself with the humorous scene from RoTK. Good call, Radagast's Lead Bunny. It will be fun to see how he works out a rectification (And don't just cop out and ignore it now, PJ!)

But then again, we really don't know how much ale Legolas consumed in his contest with Gimli before he started to feel a tingle. Maybe it was only his second tankard and the son of Gloin is just really a lightweight Laugh. Or Maybe Legolas was cheating and only drinking apple cider.

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Kimtc
Rohan

Jan 18 2013, 12:43am

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Yeah, but it's an English story, so it would have to be hard cider! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Or Maybe Legolas was cheating and only drinking apple cider.


Only us wimps in the states keep our apple cider non-alcoholic.Laugh


Rane
Bree


Jan 18 2013, 1:08am

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Wasn't it mead? [In reply to] Can't Post

If so, mead is just below wine but above beer on the alcohol by volume chart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_by_volume

(Yeah, I know about wiki not being reliable but if anyone else has a source be my guest)

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Lightice
Lorien

Jan 18 2013, 2:23am

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It's comical exaggeration at work [In reply to] Can't Post


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writes Tolkien. But I wouldn't say that is "nigh impossible", Lightice.



And PJ isn't the first one to come up with that trope. Lightweight elves downing impossible amounts of liquor are practically a staple of fantasy RPGs and less than serious novels.


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But then again, we really don't know how much ale Legolas consumed in his contest with Gimli before he started to feel a tingle.



That would go against the rules of the contest, which stated that each participant drinks a tankard for tankard.


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Or Maybe Legolas was cheating and only drinking apple cider.



I'll have you know that hard ciders are stronger than any common ale and notorious for getting you dead drunk way sooner than the taste would indicate. The word, like the recipe, "cider" has been seriously diluted these days...


Súlimë
Rivendell


Jan 18 2013, 3:31am

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My guess... [In reply to] Can't Post

is that in the movie, Bilbo will slip some sleeping potion into the wine. Worse is that it is going to be Tauriel or Legolas who gave it to him in the first place...


Kelly of Water's Edge
Lorien

Jan 18 2013, 11:21am

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My understanding [In reply to] Can't Post

from what I've seen online is that Tauriel is going to be the Captain of the Guard - so I'm assuming that means she's going to be a gender-bended version of the book's unnamed Captain. Unless they really change things around quite a bit, that means she's going to be the one who goes on a bender with her buddy, the Elvenking's Butler, and has the keys lifted off her by Bilbo. She'll also probably be somewhat friendly with the Company, as Bilbo felt a bit guilty about getting the Captain in trouble as he had treated the Dwarves decently in their captivity. Again, it remains to be seen how much these events will veer from what happened in the book and I'm working on the perhaps wrong assumption that her storyline will follow that of the book's Captain.

As for Legolas helping them out, that might be a bit inconsistent with his gradual warming to Gimli in LOTR. It makes sense that he would have been there at the time, but harder to tell what his role might be in these films.


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Rohan

Jan 18 2013, 3:21pm

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Yeah, I'm hoping for the "needlessly cinematic escape" for 2 reasons. [In reply to] Can't Post

1- continiity, which should win over anything.
2- the scene in ther book is cliche' and riduculous. It would work for a 2 year old child; I forsee a great use of the character Tauriel in this.

So, I'm damn sure that scene will be radically different from the book.

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Súlimë
Rivendell


Jan 18 2013, 3:49pm

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Good point [In reply to] Can't Post


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As for Legolas helping them out, that might be a bit inconsistent with his gradual warming to Gimli in LOTR. It makes sense that he would have been there at the time, but harder to tell what his role might be in these films.

I hope Legolas has a very small part and I hope he never actually meets Gloin! (Or things can be very awkward when he sees Gimli later)

 
 

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