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CuriousG
Gondor
Jan 18, 7:15am
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Fast forward to "Of the Return of the Noldor" for dragon origins
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(But wasn't this thread about orc origins? haha)
Morgoth's orc armies keep losing in Beleriand, so there's peace for awhile. "...for Morgoth perceived now that the Orcs unaided were no match for the Noldor; and he sought in his heart for new counsel.
"Again after a hundred years Glaurung, the first of the Uruloki, the fire-drakes of the North, issued from Angband's gates by night. He was yet young and scarce half-grown...[He's defeated.] But Morgoth was ill-pleased that Glaurung had disclosed himself oversoon..."
From all that I conclude:
1. Dragons are evil creatures devised somehow by Morgoth because Orcs (and Balrogs) weren't enough to beat the Elves.
2. Glaurung had a mind of his own and disobeyed orders to reveal that he was a secret weapon in the making.
We're left not knowing how Morgoth devised them, but they don't seem like a modified animal to me from the description. They feel like an invention, even if he wasn't supposed to be able to do that. Maybe it's the same explanation as Bombadil's origin--forever open to debate.
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Origin of Orcs
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Eowyn3
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Jan 16, 1:37am
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I'd be interested to know why that bothers you.
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Ataahua
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Jan 16, 2:51am
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Origin of Orcs
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Eowyn3
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Jan 16, 3:56am
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Well, Melkor and Sauron started out as pure, higher beings...
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CuriousG
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Jan 16, 4:49am
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immortal orks
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Elthir
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Jan 16, 4:21pm
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Add Orcs to the Bombadil and other origin mystery list.
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Eruonen
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Jan 16, 5:48pm
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I think it's really disturbing that Orcs may be descended from Elves
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DanielLB
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Jan 16, 9:51am
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I actually like it!
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Súlimë
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Jan 16, 10:05am
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Welcome to TORn!
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sador
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Jan 16, 3:38pm
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I agree, the elvish origin idea has too many problems
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Eruonen
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Jan 16, 3:22pm
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However, if the orcs are like dwarves as first made by Aule
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Eruonen
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Jan 16, 3:37pm
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Perhaps trolls could not reproduce?
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 16, 3:48pm
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Treebeard said that trolls were made in mockery of Ents
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CuriousG
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Jan 16, 7:29pm
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If Morgoth used Ents as a "template" for Trolls,
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 16, 7:56pm
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That doesn't mean that Ents were corrupted to become trolls...
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 16, 8:17pm
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Trolls and Ents and Orcs
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CuriousG
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Jan 16, 9:23pm
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Orcs from Elves
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Jan 17, 4:56am
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Great points//
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CuriousG
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Jan 17, 12:55pm
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It may interest you to know
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Roheryn
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Jan 17, 8:44am
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Ooops! Channelling my better half! Sorry.\\
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NZ Strider
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Jan 17, 9:11am
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But then there is the problem of chronology....
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17, 4:45pm
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Chronology
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Elthir
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Jan 17, 4:56pm
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Certainly; however, Tolkien was always obsessively
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NZ Strider
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Jan 17, 8:45pm
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You raise a good point...
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 18, 3:31am
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Origin of Orcs
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Eowyn3
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Jan 17, 2:09pm
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orcs from elves
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andwise
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Jan 17, 2:24pm
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"The Kinslaying", over and over again
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CuriousG
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Jan 17, 4:14pm
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Men... the' final' idea?
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Elthir
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Jan 17, 4:39pm
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dogs from wolves
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elevorn
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Jan 17, 5:20pm
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If you as I take Orcs corrupted from Elves as canon
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Asger
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Jan 17, 8:16pm
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made in mockery
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Elthir
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Jan 17, 4:08pm
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Back to dragons
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CuriousG
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Jan 17, 4:23pm
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There is something almost 'saurian' about dragons...
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17, 4:55pm
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On dragons
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Gwenhwyfar
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Jan 17, 8:30pm
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Dragons
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Jan 18, 1:54am
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Fast forward to "Of the Return of the Noldor" for dragon origins
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CuriousG
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Jan 18, 7:15am
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