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PJ Confirmed to Direct 2 Hobbit Films in 3D
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Dec 3 2007, 9:03pm

Post #51 of 64 (551 views)
Yup. I think you're right on there, Compa [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree. Schedules aren't going to be the issue. Not with the studios salivating over this kind of potential cash windfall. Plus, schedules are always fluid in Hollywood. There are always ways to push projects around the chess board. Films can be pushed forward or back or canceled entirely ... in the blink of an eye. You can never quite count on a movie actually being made until somebody finally starts shooting it.

And I have to say ... even though this is technically a "rumor" ... it really "feels" true. It's got the Ring of truth about it. (Pun only somewhat intended!) It's the detail about 3D that makes it really feel legit to me. If it was just an unfounded rumor, intended to mess with the hearts and minds of the fans, then it would probably just have included PJ's involvement and maybe the release dates of the new movies.

But the 3D angle ... that makes this rumor feel true. Because it's based in a lot of plausible fact. PJ's long been fascinated with the technology (along with a whole bunch of other A-list directors) and there's been talk for several years about him possibly retrofitting the trilogy with the digital 3D technology they used on Chicken Little and Nightmare Before Christmas. Add to that the fact that James Cameron is currently shooting Avatar ... the first truly huge big-budget 3D movie (with a snazzy new 3D camera) ... in PJ's facility at Weta Digital RIGHT NOW. So PJ's getting an up close and personal look at the technology as we speak.

So the 3D detail (along with the timeline) just makes this thing feel right to me. Of course, that may just be wishful thinking on my part.

However it also seems to me that if they're not yet ready to make this announcement ... of course they're going to deny the story. Even to their buddies at AICN. And, we shouldn't discount the possibility that the folks at AICN could actually playing along so they don't anger NL or PJ. Remember, they definitely want to be invited to New Zealand for on-location Hobbit set visits down the road. So it would certainly be in their best interest to stay in PJ and NL's good graces.

I still think NL is going to try to coordinate some kind of Hobbit announcement with the release of Golden Compass. But again ... that could just be my "fool's hope" talking!

Cross 'em if you got 'em, folks!


Dec 3 2007, 9:27pm

Post #52 of 64 (525 views)
My question though ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... would be how the ongoing WGA strike and the likely upcoming DGA and SAG strikes might affect such plans.


Dec 3 2007, 9:31pm

Post #53 of 64 (542 views)
Aren't those American guilds? [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
...how the ongoing WGA strike and the likely upcoming DGA and SAG strikes might affect such plans.

I know an American studio will be funding the movie, but will Jackson's New Zealand based activities be affected?

...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.

The Shire

Dec 3 2007, 9:38pm

Post #54 of 64 (554 views)
Taste is what it's all about [In reply to] Can't Post

Apparently we differ quite some bit concerning our taste in movies Smile

Like I said earlier, I was quite moved by Beowulfs story, a time when heroes, in the literal sense of the word, became extinct. Anyway, on to the next 3d movie, waiting for us like a new test sample!

Sorry btw, for the off-topic posts Evil

Run you pigeon's, it's Robert Frost!


Dec 3 2007, 9:51pm

Post #55 of 64 (542 views)
True. The guilds are American ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... but I think you have to be a member of the respective guild in order to A) work for a company who's a signatory to the guild contracts (as I'm sure NL must be), and B) be eligible to win Academy Awards (which PJ & Co. clearly are). (Unless you're in the foreign film category.)

But I could be totally wrong about that.

Do we have any union reps in the house?

(This post was edited by BuckyUnderbelly on Dec 3 2007, 9:54pm)


Dec 4 2007, 4:26am

Post #56 of 64 (543 views)
Okay.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Ya know, I just re-read my posts, and it sounds like I really am ranting on the "rabid teen fanboy" element. I'm not old, but I must sound like an old you-know-whatTongue. Sorry!
You're probably in the "15-25 male" age group, Eregion.......I'm not picking on ya I promise:). I'm not ranting on your "genre par se." You might be surprised, I used to love all kinds of comic books when I was a kid, I was a bookworm who read everything. I was probably one of the only, if not the only, 7-yr-old girl in Sterling Heights, Michigan who had a collection of Conan The Barbarian comics! I still love Conan, I've got the two films from the early 80's, and I LOVE Basil Polydorous's score for the first one. I still pop that one in the ol' DVD player once in a while. And there were other films from the 90's that today fall into the"dreaded" demographic: Independence Day (cheesy story but VERY funny! Great script and Will Smith was fantastic!), Twister (many people hate this film but to me it's just so bad it's actually good!) , etc. And of course, I thank the cinema gods I was old enough to experience The Matrix in a theater when it first came out. For two years I wanted to KILL Carrie Ann Moss, I hadn't the figure to fit into a black leather catsuitMad. Even today I still use Matrix expressions in daily conversation. Yes, I love sci-fi and fantasy. I'm a film buff who has probably read aobut far more films than she's seen.. in a theater anyway.

But you won';t find me at Hellboy or Scream 2. Yes, I go for dramas, some sci-fi (if only it's done good) etc. If something outside the genre is recommended to me, I'll see it. Once in a while a gem comes along, like Silence of the Lambs, etc. What is your taste in films etc?

And Bucky, regarding schedules, there are only three words needed right now:


We'll be getting a lot of NL in the headlines this coming week! Let's see if Shaye keeps his job! Can you imagine what must be going through is head right now?

(This post was edited by Sunflower on Dec 4 2007, 4:32am)


Dec 4 2007, 7:42am

Post #57 of 64 (474 views)
I don't have any actual knowledge [In reply to] Can't Post

but I did get the impression, from Sean Astin's book, for example, that the LotR shoot in NZ would not have conformed to Hollywood union rules. Even the way the extras with the horses were employed for the Battle of the Pelennor Fields would apparently have cost many times as much in America. In NZ, horse-owning LotR fans were just invited to come and take part - I think the pay was minimal, and one of the reasons LotR came out as it did was because so many people weren't working for the money, but for love of the story, and goodwill towards a native son.

...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.


Dec 4 2007, 9:35am

Post #58 of 64 (501 views)
For those who are interested [In reply to] Can't Post

Don't want to start a thread on this, but if you want to keep track of the Boxoffice, New Line reaction etc to The Golden Compass' opening week, here is an excellent site where a lot of the book fans and Oscar-watching film buffs gather, it's my favorite film site:

"Oscarwatch"-- www.awardsdaily.com (BTW, this is a great site to follow Oscar Season on! It's an old site, dating back to '99. )
On the home page, on the right hand side, click on "Forums" and then "Film News."

FYI, here's how TGC is tracking in the US right now: from one source, a 5-day opening total of $23 million. From another, $32 million. I don't know much about how "tracking" works, but given the amount of advertising New Line is spending on this, according to the Folks Who Know on that site, that apparently isn't good. Who knows? What I'm wondering is, where are all the fan reviews? There have been screenings, and I want to know.

Let's see what happens....

(This post was edited by Sunflower on Dec 4 2007, 9:39am)

The Shire

Dec 4 2007, 1:03pm

Post #59 of 64 (513 views)
Movie tastes: The Sequel [In reply to] Can't Post

Hehe, you got the age group right. As for my movie tastes, I guess you could call me a 'geek'. While I love movie movies like say Elephant or Das Leben der Anderen, I can get mighty excited about big budget mind blowing movies. When both genres are kind of mixed I'm absolutely sold. You could put LOTR in this mixed category, as well as for example Children of Men (best of 2006 Smile).

A big aspect whether I like it a film or not depends on the music. I need to travel through a solid soundscape throughout a movie. These can be classical scores or just compiled soundtracks. Some recent examples of movies that receive lots of love from me for their music and feelings they subsequently evoke:

Compiled soundtracks: Elizabethtown, Marie Antoinette, Death Proof, Boogie Nights, The Big Lebowski, ...
Classic scores: The Last King of Scotland, War of the Worlds (the one that got me absolutely terrified!), Blood Diamond, Kingdom of Heaven, ...
Mixed soundtracks: Miami Vice, Magnolia, Layer Cake, ...

The are some that I recently bought that spring to mind. Now for Beowulf, the score evoked a haunting feeling of loss, with a tiny glimmer of hope, which came to a fascinating result in the final scenes. That's why it made quite an impression on me.

Btw, Twister is a guilty treasure of mine too, I secretly loathe and adore disaster movies Sly
Dante's Peak is another one of those!

Run you pigeon's, it's Robert Frost!


Dec 4 2007, 2:20pm

Post #60 of 64 (490 views)
disaster movies [In reply to] Can't Post

Btw, Twister is a guilty treasure of mine too, I secretly loathe and adore disaster movies

I just plain love 'em. It doesn't matter whether they're good or bad... in fact, they're almost all bad. I love 'em. Like I love PopTarts. Nothing redeeming in them but enjoyable none the less. I've watched Twister many times.

and now we've gone from The Hobbit in 3D to PopTarts.


Dec 4 2007, 7:22pm

Post #61 of 64 (478 views)
Is The Golden Compass a "make or break" the studio like LotR was? [In reply to] Can't Post

are they in that bad as shape--again?

For Gondor!


Dec 5 2007, 5:39am

Post #62 of 64 (470 views)
In a word..... [In reply to] Can't Post


And in addition, there are many people in the upper echelons of Time Warner who are tee'd off at Shaye's attitude regarding PJ, and they've made clear to him that it IS make or break time.

It's why they're so desperate, splashing this everywhere. I know the generals but not the particulars. I'm sure we'll have become much more familiar with New Line Cinema over the next week. I said yesterday that I was wondering where the film reviews etc are, well, according to the site I mentioned above, NL is holding them back until Friday, then there's going to be this explosion of print. So get out the popcorn, the drama is about to begin!

At the site I mentioned, there's a link to an as-yet-unpublished review by Roger Ebert where he not only gives it 4 stars, but says it's better than both Harry Potter and LOTR, specifically calling it "deeper and darker" then LOTR.

I kid you not. Even most of the TGC fans are asking variations of "WHAT brand of crack is he smoking?"

I see Bucky has started a thread on this, so I'll put this up there too. (Thanks Bucky! I've started a few threads in "off-topic" recently and I'm not enough of a TORN celebrity to start any more....ol' Fimbrethil (me) was too big of a lurker on the old site....Smile

Now, regarding film taste Part 3, Erigion:). Well, 15-25 was cheating a bit. You sound like my kid sister, so I guessed were right around 21 or so. Me, I came across as too much like a Boomer yesterday.....I'm only 38:). But I've been a film buff since that faraway day in June of 1977, , when John William changed my life. SO.....

We're probably a lot more alike than not. Like you, the most important thing to me about a film is the music. IMO< plenty of mediocre films were rescued by stunning scores. I haven't heard most of what you mentioned, can you get me a list of the composers for those movies please?

Some of my favorite scores:

1)Ennio Morricone's "The Mission"
2)Basil Polidorous, "Conan The Barbarian"
3)The score for "Pan's Labyrinth" (this grows on me over time, to the point where I am complete floods of tears when whne I hear the opening notes. That lullaby...you're right, this and Children of Men were last yr's best. I saw that in a theater and funnily enough, you should read the novel of the same title that';s based on, the novel is much more "Holywood", it is a rare case of the director doing the opposite of usual and making the film darker and less hopeful than the book!

I can't think of more.

And Magpie, disaster films, LOL! LOVE 'em too! Besides Twister, I love

--The Perfect Storm
--The Towering Inferno
--The Day After Tomorrow (no characters but the whole premise of global warming happening a thousand times faster and more intense (oops, did I just quote Lucas?) that took guts to do and it was so bad it's great! PLus I love how Emmerich dropped a Dick-Cheney lookalike in the UN conference scene! I wsih this had come out last yr!)
--the origional War of the Worlds (love the cheesy 50's women's hairstyles and dresses!
--Jaws (OF COURSE)
--The Swarm (heck, I saw this as a kid and it scared the heck outof me--never mind it's now rated one of the worst films of all time)

There's a great book on disaster films actually. I'll have to look it up in the library.

And speaking of guilty pleasures---one of my alltime faves is the origional 1982 David Lynch version of DUNE. People hate it but I LOVE it! It still got the whole look and feel of Frank Herbert's universe down cold, just as LOTR looked like ME onscreen. And Brian Eno's love theme is gorgeous. Funny, I used to say that if Brian Eno ever wrote a love theme, that's EXACTLY what ti would sound like--LOL. Kull Wahad!

Maybe someone should start a "favorite film or guilty pleasure" thread?:)

(This post was edited by Sunflower on Dec 5 2007, 5:47am)

The Shire

Dec 5 2007, 9:47am

Post #63 of 64 (466 views)
Hijacking this thread [In reply to] Can't Post

First and foremost, you're spot on with Dune Smile

My movie love started with 'The Sugarland Express' which I saw on the telly when I was 14. That's the moment I really thought I should do something in the business. Unfortunately I didn't really gel with the artistic crowd once I started studying, so I decided I was more of a watcher than a maker.

Now, on to the music of the films I mentioned (which are just some that spring to mind since I recently bought them). I must say that sometimes, like you say mediocre movies grow on you, just because the music clicks with you. Maybe not on first viewing, but you discover the music is an extra layer which makes all the mediocre parts fit together. In the following list, this is true of some movies. Since I didn't know if you had Itunes, I chose to put the amazon links here, you can listen to samples there too. Just click on the listen to samples button beneath the cover art. If you do have Itunes, you can try to find the albums there too, which will also allow sample listening. Ofcourse, these samples can't give you the full range of the power of a song, sometimes not even a glimpse. So these do not represent the magic of them, hehe. Let's start with some compiled and mixed soundtracks.

- Elizabethtown: The whole movie is like one big mellow jukebox put together by the director Cameron Crowe, who loves playing a DJ in movies. The movie features a roadtrip of 20 minutes with only music and voiceover. It's about dealing with a difficult relation with your father. Worth viewing!
The trailer, I advise watching the teaser and/or the music trailer:

- Marie-Antoinette: Another Kirsten Dunst movie. This one is a costume drama dealing what happens when you mix monarchy with growing up. Features a modern soundtrack, which ultimately fits perfect. Everything Jason Schwartzmann does in this movie is unintentionally hilarious. Listen to Opus 17, 23 and 36! I love piano Sly

- Death Proof: As we all know Quentin Tarrantino knows his movies and his music. Thought this movie is very flawed, the music is unforgettable, these are tracks you will wonder why you never heard them on the radio. Genius! I recommend Chcik Habit, the last song featured during the credits.

- Boogie Nights: A funny and touching movie which is a fantastic stroll through late seventies early eighties. John C Reilly and Phillip Seymour Hoffman are in it, probably my favourite actors. It's all about the porn industry and one man's clichéd rise and fall of glory. All known seventies music, but worth listening to in sync with the images on screen.

- The Big Lebowski: The Dude abides!

- Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: Again, a walk through time. Oh, and it's a Terry Gilliam movie Heart

Now, on to the more composed soundtracks:

- The Last King of Scotland: Composed by Alex Heffes. He scored the documentary 'Touching the Void' and now does the same duties for the same director. This features some wonderfull African music as well as some tense thrilling parts to resemble the dictatorship of Idi Amin. I recommend 'Idi's Story'!

- War of the Worlds: John Williams glory. Probably his least attractive sounding soundtrack. This one really goes straight to the heart, and not in a good way. Thumping through your ears. Terrifying, but in a good way! This is one you can't listen to leisurely.
Trailer, with some known music from another movie, I wonder which one...

- Kingdom of Heaven; What do you know, another Orlando Bloom movie. This score is done by the always great Harry-Gregson Williams, of The Rock fame. I love the timeframe of the Crusades, so while the movie is by no means a classic, I appreciate it they made a big budget movie of those times! Apparently the director's cut is actually a much better movie, but haven't seen it yet. This is probably a score in the basic sense of the word, perfect movie magic.

Sunshine: My latest DVD addition. This is a must buy if you love movie music, scored by John Murphy. Man, I cried at least 3 times because of the beautiful music. Normally this only happens once or twice, or in the case of Return of The King, 5 times, but this seems like a match made in heaven (almost literally if you know the premise). Unfortunately, I can't find samples on the net or on Itunes. Apparently there are some legal issues. There is however a piece recorded from the film and put up on YouTube. If you only want to click one one link in this post, let it be this one. IT IS ASTONISHING! Turn up the speakers, you'll not forget this moment. It takes an odd 45 seconds before the theme starts, and still has the other movie sound effects in it, but this is the best recorded version I could find. It is called: "The surface of the Sun"
What you can also do is watch the trailer with the great music from Requiem for a Dream, which was alse featured in The Two Towers trailer.

I'm out of superlatives for today. Hope you enjoy the list, and I once again apologise for going off-topic. Oh, one last treat, since the last song was called 'The Surface of the Sun'. I present you Moby's 'God Moving Over the Faces of the Water' from Heat's end credits.

Btw, I'm pretty bummed the Golden Compass didn't become the classic I hoped it would become. I also wasn't aware it was geared towards kids. Not that it makes it a bad movie, but I hoped we could get something less kiddie than Narnia for once. Fantasy movies need another boost Smile

Run you pigeon's, it's Robert Frost!


Dec 5 2007, 9:18pm

Post #64 of 64 (508 views)
Whoa, whoa!:) [In reply to] Can't Post

"Hijacking the thread" indeed!

Maybe you or Magpie should start a "favorite films" thread! That way we can cover the whole gamut of film scores, guilty pleasures, etc. FYI, Eregian, I actually have "War of the Worlds" and the Extended DVD of Kingdom of Heaven at home! Ridley Scott is one of my top 10 favorite directors. He's like the new Stanley Kubrick---I'd go to see anything he does, and his repretoire is huge, he can leap from genre to genre and still come out with something great.

Seriously....if there's a new thread I'll reply there....thanks for the clips, I'll def. take a listen!

BTW, don't write off Golden Compass yet. We won't know until Monday for sure. Having read the books, I have to tell you I'm no fan of the books. The third book, "The Subtle Knife" I think, turns me completely off and kills the series for me. But I only care about how Shaye's--and more importantly Time Warner's-- reaction to the TCG Box Office will impact The Hobbit, so it really doesn't matter to me if the film flops or not. What I mean is, I'm not one of these people who really wants to see it fail, and there are a lot of those.

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