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Challenge Completed

aarondirebear
Bree

Jan 8 2013, 12:05am

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Forgive my crappy formatting, i am not sure what form one is supposed to use for scripts these days.

The point of this thread is to prove that the solving of Gollum's time riddle as written in the book can in fact work as a film given a tiny amount of effort in the screenwriting department. This was brought up in the Riddles in the Dark thread a matter of weeks ago where it was claimed to have been impossible, to which I replied "challenge accepted". Here is my first attempt and do note that I am in fact a rank amateur (so a professional ought to be able to do better, right?):


BILBO
(hoarse, nearly inaudible, visibly beginning to panic)
Give me more time, give me more time, give me more time give me more time

GOLLUM reaches the bank and quickly courses towards BILBO with the inevitability of a zombie. CUT back and forth
between BILBO and GOLLUM. Finally, GOLLUM COMES TO WITHIN AN INCH OF BILBO'S FACE



BILBO
(squaking)
TIME! TIME!


Thee is a pause, BILBO hyperventilates in fear while GOLLUM glares right into his eyes. GOLLUM gives a huff and sits down next to BILBO



GOLLUM
(disappointed, somewhat angry, bored with the game)
Yesss, yesss, my preciousss...time is the ansswer.
<beat>

GOLLUM pokes at Bilbo's stomach, licking his teeth

GOLLUM
It's got to ask uss a quesstion, my preciouss, yes, yess, yesss. Jusst one more question to guess, yes, yess


"Others are inclined to say that any two stories that are built round the same folk-lore motive, or are made up of a generally similar combination of such motives, are "the same stories." Statements of that kind are not true, they are not true in art or literature. It is precisely the colouring, the atmosphere, the unclassifiable individual details of a story, and above all the general purport that informs with life the undissected bones of the plot, that really count." J.R.R. Tolkien


Fredeghar Wayfarer
Lorien


Jan 8 2013, 7:10am

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Pretty much like the cartoon [In reply to] Can't Post

Not sure why people would think it's impossible to portray in the movie. Your scene is pretty close to what the Rankin/Bass animated version of The Hobbit did.

BILBO: Give me some time!

GOLLUM: What does it say?!

BILBO: I said time! Time!

Jackson probably went with the "Time's up" approach so it wouldn't appear that he was copying the cartoon.


LordotRings93
Rohan


Jan 8 2013, 2:52pm

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I like how it was portrayed in the movie [In reply to] Can't Post

Gollum was shown to be a little more "psycho" in my opinion. And Bilbo during the scene in the book wouldn't translate well to the screen, with his constant "squeaking and hoarse voice". He's the hero, after all, so people wanna see him stand up for himself, but at the same time can also be "piss-his-pants" scared when Gollum comes. I think Martin Freeman did that scene magnificently.

Lover of Medieval Fantasy
"I know what I must do. It's just... I'm afraid to do it."


aarondirebear
Bree

Jan 8 2013, 3:57pm

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to Udun with what people want to see [In reply to] Can't Post

He isn't THAT kind of hero. He doesn't know how to stand up for himself at that point in the book. He is still an upper class fop at this point and hasn't embraced his Tookish side fully.

So let me get this sttraight...a good movie plays with or defies peoples expectations...but somehow its better if an adaptation of The Hobbit CONFORMS to people's (except fans of the book, of course) expectations?

And how is it that general audiences can be simultaneously so stupid as to watch "just about anything" and so picky and discerning? That makes no sense.

"Others are inclined to say that any two stories that are built round the same folk-lore motive, or are made up of a generally similar combination of such motives, are "the same stories." Statements of that kind are not true, they are not true in art or literature. It is precisely the colouring, the atmosphere, the unclassifiable individual details of a story, and above all the general purport that informs with life the undissected bones of the plot, that really count." J.R.R. Tolkien


aarondirebear
Bree

Jan 8 2013, 3:57pm

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Because Jackson is their god and they think they know better than Tolkien.

"Others are inclined to say that any two stories that are built round the same folk-lore motive, or are made up of a generally similar combination of such motives, are "the same stories." Statements of that kind are not true, they are not true in art or literature. It is precisely the colouring, the atmosphere, the unclassifiable individual details of a story, and above all the general purport that informs with life the undissected bones of the plot, that really count." J.R.R. Tolkien

 
 

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