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help translate "White Council" please


Jan 4 2013, 9:39pm

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help translate "White Council" please Can't Post

for the longest time i have tried to translate White Council into sindarin but cannot find word "council" anywhere.

Can anybody help me solve this?


Fredeghar Wayfarer

Jan 4 2013, 10:12pm

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Not sure if there is a Sindarin word for "council." Closest I can find is "govanneth" (meeting). So it would be Nim Govanneth (White Meeting).

Bear in mind that I'm not an expert on Tolkien's languages so I could be wrong.

(This post was edited by Fredeghar Wayfarer on Jan 4 2013, 10:17pm)


Jan 4 2013, 11:02pm

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Thank you [In reply to] Can't Post

just one quick one and i'm done i swear

can I name Northmen - Foredain in sindarin


Fredeghar Wayfarer

Jan 5 2013, 4:30am

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Possibly [In reply to] Can't Post

I've never seen that word but it sounds plausible. "Edain" usually just refers to the Men of Beleriand and their descendants though.

Tolkien himself used "Forodwaith" (People of the North) for the Men of the Northern Waste and as a name for the Vikings in The Book of Lost Tales. I've also seen "Forodrim" (People of the North) but that might be fan created. Don't know if the Northmen of Rhovanion had another name. Which group were you referring to?

By the way, no need to apologize. I love figuring out Tolkien's languages.


Jan 6 2013, 10:12pm

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Thanks me too, this is what i came up with [In reply to] Can't Post

I devided Edain into Dunedain and now Foredain (left harad and rhun out of the picture for now). The problem are those now know as Foredain. I put Rohirrim in their group because they had ancestors up there who came down south in latter years and established Rohan after Eorl bla bla bla we know the story. Im cool with that. But "???" stands for people of dale and/or esgaroth. I can put them in Foredain group now but there is simply no sindarin name meaning laketown folks or daleings or esgarothians (I'm making stuff up terribly). So any advice what to call them in sindarin. Is there a name i have no knowing of? lucky guess? piece of mind? I'm up for anything friend :)

- Dunedain (Sindarin: west men)
- - Gondorians (Sindarin: stone land people)
- - Ardorians (Sindarin: king land people)
- Foredain (Sindarin: north men)
- - ???
- - Rohirim (Sindarin: horse men)

PS i'm aware this is kinda wrong and not what tolkien wrote, but it's just for my fantasy version of it :)

(This post was edited by ElendurTheFaithful on Jan 6 2013, 10:15pm)

Grey Havens

Jan 7 2013, 3:27am

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-rim [In reply to] Can't Post

Forodrim is the name for a Tolkien Society but it seems well enough made to me, if not attested. I think -rim can work:

Gondorrim (compare Gondolindrim)

Unfortunately that looks like a lot of examples with double r when listed together. I think (in a letter) Tolkien purposely wanted to avoid 'Ardor' so he came up with a way to have Gondor but not Ardor, but that's because he knew Ardor was fine in Sindarin.

While -ian(d) is found in Sindarin place names, final -s is not a Sindarin plural marker -- I'm not saying you don't know that, but if you want a pure Sindarin form I mean, rather than Gondorians for example.

Fredeghar Wayfarer

Jan 8 2013, 11:12pm

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Dale [In reply to] Can't Post

The people of Dale and Esgaroth were considered Northmen as well. Most of the people of Rhovanion were Northmen, so that includes the Men of Dale, the Eotheod, the Rohirrim, the Beornings, the Woodmen of Mirkwood, etc. So whatever term you end up using (Foredain or Forodrim) could apply to all of these.

If you want something specifically for the Men of Dale, what about Nandrim (Valley People)? No idea if this would be accurate Sindarin but "Nan(d)" means "valley" and "rim" means "people" so it could maybe work.

Grey Havens

Jan 9 2013, 4:31pm

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Morrim [In reply to] Can't Post

Also if you use nan we could introduce another sound through contact of -nr-... that is: nan + rim -> *Nadhrim

I think! Looking at Caradhras anyway, which I think is caran + ras(s)


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