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really off-topic: the true cause of most violent crime

Annael
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Jan 4 2013, 4:52pm

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really off-topic: the true cause of most violent crime Can't Post

I just ran across this article (actually, I read an article about it published in Forbes and then went looking for the original) that I found fascinating: leaded gasoline may be behind most violent crime!

I've heard, but don't have a citation, that some suspect it's a culprit in the rising rates of autism too.

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imin
Valinor


Jan 4 2013, 5:53pm

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On the plus side (kinda) [In reply to] Can't Post

It may have slowed down global warming. Whether this is true or not i dont know but here is the article.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/04/090419-lead-clouds-global-warming.html

I say kinda as it still pollutes the environment and causes hundreds of thousands of deaths.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 4 2013, 6:11pm

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My head hurts after reading that .... / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jan 4 2013, 10:28pm

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Learning From History [In reply to] Can't Post

It happened to the Romans with their leaded water supply pipes. You would think knowing that, we'd be wiser.

Nope.


imin
Valinor


Jan 4 2013, 10:49pm

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Badly written/inaccurateor poor wording from me? lol // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 4 2013, 10:53pm

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No, not you imin :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

I meant the article on the NG website. The science is sound, it's just badly written (from my perspective anyway). They also sound surprised - this kind of thing has been known for years.


imin
Valinor


Jan 4 2013, 11:03pm

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ah ok [In reply to] Can't Post

At least the science is sound, if badly written!

I as a layman had no idea lead has slowed the progress of global warming. I have always just heard bad things it does to cars, environment and people.

Oh well i caught up eventually with this knowledge today, haha.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Jan 5 2013, 6:55pm

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Unleaded gasoline is now the norm (at least in the U.S.)... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't see this as being anything more than junk science.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


N.E. Brigand
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Jan 5 2013, 11:11pm

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Yes, and crime is down. [In reply to] Can't Post

That's one of the points made by the article.

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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 6 2013, 3:27pm

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Well, then... [In reply to] Can't Post

If nothing else, the hypothesis may bear further investigation. However, action should not be taken without stronger evidence that leads to proof.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Annael
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Jan 6 2013, 4:20pm

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the author conducted an extensive review of research from many countries [In reply to] Can't Post

the evidence is pretty solid.

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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jan 9 2013, 2:17pm

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"How Did Lead Get Into Our Gasoline, Anyway?" [In reply to] Can't Post

I read two short follow-up pieces to that article. A great quote from the first piece on familiar patterns:


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We start using something before we understand whether itís safe. We begin to discover itís not safe. Industry obscures the science and viciously battles off regulation for as long as possible, forecasting economic doom. Lots of people get sick and die while they do so. Finally some regulations are put in place. The costs of complying turn out to be lower than anyone predicted. The benefits turn out to be much greater than anyone predicted. The pollutant turns out to be more harmful than originally thought. Despite all of the above, industry continues battling efforts to further reduce the pollutant, while claiming credit for the benefits of reducing it as much as they were forced to.


And the second piece notes that the toxicity of tetraeythl lead was privately acknowledged by its creators even before a patent was filed.

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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 9 2013, 2:20pm

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But also see this. [In reply to] Can't Post

A Criminal Environment, Ctd.

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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 10 2013, 8:22pm

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"like using a childís magnifying glass to try to investigate the structure of a skin cell" [In reply to] Can't Post

Jim Manzi notes that the principal study cited in that article shows that increased exposure to lead seems to correlate only with increased numbers of assaults but not increased numbers of murders or increased numbers of property crimes. Puzzled by this, he goes on to examine the statistical tools used to make the analysis, and suggests some flaws.

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