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Magpie
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Dec 29 2012, 10:25pm

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aha (will go read the new one) [In reply to] Can't Post

wow. just... wow.

That was something. In a good way. :-)


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Briar
The Shire


Dec 29 2012, 10:41pm

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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

That was wonderful, swordwhale!


TheSexyBeard
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Dec 29 2012, 11:52pm

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Thanks for the links dernwyn [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember reading Darkstone's post (it should be stickied somewhere, it's quite interesting) at the time I joined the forums and feeling bit more optimistic about the sleigh and appearance as they both seem to have roots in Nordic myth which is quite suitable considering Tolkien studied such myths and culture.

I would be a bit surprised if Weta did not know about these stories during the development of the films.

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sevilodorf
Gondor


Dec 30 2012, 12:32am

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in other words just enough credibility to make it possible [In reply to] Can't Post

It doesn't have to be 100% ... just enough to say there are reasons it would work. I can imagine someone on the story team suggesting a bunny sled and others just staring and then someone going.... wait wait and googling the heck out of everything and contacting someone in Alaska or Antarctica and saying would this be conceivably possible... and the guy on the other end of the line going... well maybe.... That maybe would be enough


Anyway as an aside my father also tells stories of using a stone sledge to do farmwork in West Virginia and even a quick made sled from branches

A passage from his memories:
Since “Make your own or do without” was the rule we lived by, Daddy and us boys worked as a team using a sled handmade from forked hard wood branches. Two branches taken from a hickory or sourwood tree were laid side by side. On the front, holes would be bored to attach the singletree for the horse. Boards would be attached crossways to form the framework for the box. Side boards were added to make a box two or three feet deep. The rear section of the box would be removable and slid into place. The sled was kept reasonably small so that one horse could easily manage to pull the weight between the rows of corn. Better to make two trips that to give your horse a hernia.

Have to wonder if he ever considered using rabbits?




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Randraug
The Shire


Dec 30 2012, 1:22am

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Magic [In reply to] Can't Post

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morgul lord
Rivendell


Dec 30 2012, 1:33am

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I loved the bunny sled [In reply to] Can't Post

I think people are being way too critical. I mean, in the book animals are serving at the dinner table in Beorn's house. That's wayyyy more over the top. The bunny sled was cute and super cool.


imin
Valinor


Dec 30 2012, 1:47am

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Are people disliking the fact its bunnies than say dogs? [In reply to] Can't Post

Or are people disliking the way it looked on screen? Or both?

For myself i think it looked alright when still but in the chase with the wargs it didnt look like the CGI was finished or just not very good, floated over the scene and went at a comically fast speed.

At the end of the day though it is less over the top (imo) than animals on hind legs serving food etc. I think for PJ's ME they will probably leave out the animals at Beorns house. Will be interesting to see what they do!


The Mitch King
Rohan


Dec 30 2012, 4:59am

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Oh man... [In reply to] Can't Post

Beorn's animals could wreck the whole movie for me if it is just like the book in the movie. Too Disney for me. Unsure


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Dec 30 2012, 5:22am

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Fantastic post! Thanks for sharing your insights! [In reply to] Can't Post

I've taken a bit of interest in dog-sledding since my cousin married into the Mackey family. Love the comparisons between the bunny sled and real dog sledding. Neat that what those Rhosgobel bunnies and Radagast do together is at least plausible.


Eruonen
Tol Eressea


Dec 30 2012, 6:44am

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I was not a fan of the idea when it first came up and the movie [In reply to] Can't Post

scenes, IMHO, take a marginally believable mode of transportation and go waaaay over the top. Sure, I could accept such a sleigh being used over favorable terrain...snow...but not through tangled forest and up and down grassland etc. Wjhy did he race back toward the dwarves if he was trying to divert the orcs, especially if he was using Istari powers to help with transportion, as some have suggested. It was just another bit of excess that infused this film. I look forward to the next two installments and hope they are more constrained in such devices. No more falls from 500 feet without injury. No more blows to the head by a huge Azog mace without a crushed skull *Thorin etc.


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swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Dec 30 2012, 4:23pm

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beyond cool! [In reply to] Can't Post


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It doesn't have to be 100% ... just enough to say there are reasons it would work. I can imagine someone on the story team suggesting a bunny sled and others just staring and then someone going.... wait wait and googling the heck out of everything and contacting someone in Alaska or Antarctica and saying would this be conceivably possible... and the guy on the other end of the line going... well maybe.... That maybe would be enough


Anyway as an aside my father also tells stories of using a stone sledge to do farmwork in West Virginia and even a quick made sled from branches

A passage from his memories:
Since “Make your own or do without” was the rule we lived by, Daddy and us boys worked as a team using a sled handmade from forked hard wood branches. Two branches taken from a hickory or sourwood tree were laid side by side. On the front, holes would be bored to attach the singletree for the horse. Boards would be attached crossways to form the framework for the box. Side boards were added to make a box two or three feet deep. The rear section of the box would be removable and slid into place. The sled was kept reasonably small so that one horse could easily manage to pull the weight between the rows of corn. Better to make two trips that to give your horse a hernia.

Have to wonder if he ever considered using rabbits?





That was awesome!

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swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Dec 30 2012, 4:26pm

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Mackey, the wizard of Mushing [In reply to] Can't Post


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I've taken a bit of interest in dog-sledding since my cousin married into the Mackey family. Love the comparisons between the bunny sled and real dog sledding. Neat that what those Rhosgobel bunnies and Radagast do together is at least plausible.



THAT Mackey? The one that won the Iditarod (mumblemumble) 4? times in a row?

Recreational mushing/scootering/bike-joring is actually really simple: one dog and a set of wheels will do. Any dog who likes to run. Any size. Two is better (while one is going SQUIRREL! the other is still going straight ahead). Amuses the dogs, and the person riding the bike or scooter. I like to encourage people with dogs (which is most of them) to try it.

Go outside and play...


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Dec 30 2012, 4:40pm

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over the top [In reply to] Can't Post


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scenes, IMHO, take a marginally believable mode of transportation and go waaaay over the top. Sure, I could accept such a sleigh being used over favorable terrain...snow...but not through tangled forest and up and down grassland etc. Wjhy did he race back toward the dwarves if he was trying to divert the orcs, especially if he was using Istari powers to help with transportion, as some have suggested. It was just another bit of excess that infused this film. I look forward to the next two installments and hope they are more constrained in such devices. No more falls from 500 feet without injury. No more blows to the head by a huge Azog mace without a crushed skull *Thorin etc.



The first time I saw the Hobbit I felt like some of the action was over the top (I actually saw someone do that move which inspred the cliche' on a tall ship, it is quite extraordinary).

Then I thought about it, and saw it again (in HFR). Still a bit exaggerated. Then I thought about the tone of the book; much more humorous, much more "faerie tale". The film reflects that tone.

Then there is the cast. In LOTR, we had two humans, four Hobbits, and some tougher immortal/semi-immortal types who mostly stayed in the background and shot arrows and thumped orcs with axes and fought the odd balrog.

Enter thirteen Dwarves into Bilbo's house. One Hobbit, and they're pretty tough... 13, count'em 13 Dwarves, stone-hard, nearly semi-immortal superstrong superhuman long-enduring Dwarves. If you've ever watched a terrier (like a Jack Russel) tell off a much larger dog... or known a ferret (mine used to leap on my 65 pound dog and the dog deferred)... or a Shetland Pony (a Force of Nature for sure), you understand Dwarves. It's like Shetland Pony to the nth power.

So when the action seems a bit over the top, or when I find myself going, "Crap, nobody would survive that!" I remember, we are not talking mere mortals here, we are talking Dwarves. That's one of the points of a fantasy world, you can exaggerate, go over the top, create amazing tall tales. As long as there are roots in reality, it works.

Hobbit does have a subtly different tone than LOTR, but for me, at least, it's kind of wonderful.

about that mace... maybe Thorin ducked and it was a glancing blow... think I'll go look again....

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Roheryn
Grey Havens

Dec 30 2012, 7:54pm

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Yeah, that one. :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

I believe my cousin now gets to call him Uncle Lance. The wedding pictures (two years ago, in Alaska, and no, I wasn't there) were pretty funny: my cousin's side of the family: tame, respectable, and (dare I say it?) rather boring-looking. The Mackey side? Wild, unkempt, and altogether disreputable-looking. I think she made a good choice. :-)

When I was young, I had a springer spaniel named Clyde, and I was determined he was going to be a sled dog. I stitched together a harness for him with some jingle-bells attached, hitched him in some jerry-rigged way to a neat old-fashioned sled with metal runners that I had, made some effort at teaching him what "hike", "gee", and "haw" meant (didn't need "whoa", as I weighed about as much as he did and it was easy enough to stop him if needed), and off we went down a snow-packed little-used road near our house. Such fun! In the summers I got him to pull me on my skateboard. He never was very enthusiastic about the sled dog treatment but he humored me. :-)


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Dec 31 2012, 7:04pm

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Norse myth... [In reply to] Can't Post


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I remember reading Darkstone's post (it should be stickied somewhere, it's quite interesting) at the time I joined the forums and feeling bit more optimistic about the sleigh and appearance as they both seem to have roots in Nordic myth which is quite suitable considering Tolkien studied such myths and culture.

I would be a bit surprised if Weta did not know about these stories during the development of the films.


Well, Thor drove a couple of goats (which I have also done, the Dwarf size goat fits nicely in the average X-back harness)... and Freyja drives a chariot pulled by cats. Yes cats. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

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swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Dec 31 2012, 7:09pm

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skating spaniels and (sigh) Uncle Lance! [In reply to] Can't Post


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I believe my cousin now gets to call him Uncle Lance. The wedding pictures (two years ago, in Alaska, and no, I wasn't there) were pretty funny: my cousin's side of the family: tame, respectable, and (dare I say it?) rather boring-looking. The Mackey side? Wild, unkempt, and altogether disreputable-looking. I think she made a good choice. :-)

When I was young, I had a springer spaniel named Clyde, and I was determined he was going to be a sled dog. I stitched together a harness for him with some jingle-bells attached, hitched him in some jerry-rigged way to a neat old-fashioned sled with metal runners that I had, made some effort at teaching him what "hike", "gee", and "haw" meant (didn't need "whoa", as I weighed about as much as he did and it was easy enough to stop him if needed), and off we went down a snow-packed little-used road near our house. Such fun! In the summers I got him to pull me on my skateboard. He never was very enthusiastic about the sled dog treatment but he humored me. :-)


One or two dogs makes a great "team" for a skateboard or roller blades! More is called insanity. It's a great way to exercise your dog and have fun!

Mackey pic: thinking of thirteen Dwarves descending on Bilbo. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

Lance is the coolest.

Bofur is so a musher, he has the Hat.

Go outside and play...


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Dec 31 2012, 7:10pm

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thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post


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dernwyn posted a link to your article in her post in this thread. Not that you can't post it again. It was a great read. :-)


thanks! Smile

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swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Dec 31 2012, 7:54pm

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Take a read through swordwhale's analysis of it (the link can also be found in his post here).

It's quite an eye-opener when professionals in certain areas weigh in on these things! Smile

And you're right that it's not too far-fetched to consider a Maia using a means of conveyance such as this, as Darkstone explained a while back in his post here.

Personally? I love that sled!


(um, her... swordwhale is a girl)

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