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The hobbit has become the 10th biggest film of the year
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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Dec 29 2012, 5:21pm

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They are not. [In reply to] Can't Post


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So how on earth can this trilogy be underperforming from a simple market-economy point of view?!


But they are underperforming in terms of expectations. Ever followed the stock market? Expectations play a big part.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 29 2012, 5:24pm

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For a number of reasons.

ROTK made over a billion nine years ago. With rising prices (especially of 3D) and inflation, I thought it would at least hit a million.

It's the next installment in a wildly successful and critically acclaimed series.

Twelve films have crossed the billion dollar mark (not counting the rerelease of Star Wars 1), and two of those were this year - Avenger & The Dark Knight Rises. At the time of ROTK, only it and one other film had made a billion.

Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!


Arannir
Valinor

Dec 29 2012, 5:25pm

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So how on earth can this trilogy be underperforming from a simple market-economy point of view?!


But they are underperforming in terms of expectations. Ever followed the stock market? Expectations play a big part.


That's what I tried to say: They did not expect a third movie until a couple of months ago. So economically the trilogy should still (unless the next two flop) outdo the producers' expectations. Even if AUJ would miss
expectations.


And again, we do not know the WB's or anyone's expectations, just as we do not know the finale number for AUJ.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Dec 29 2012, 5:28pm

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No offense but... [In reply to] Can't Post

...you - who is not following box office at all - are not in the position to argue about whether a movie is doing great or not. I don't mean to sound like a pompous bottom, even if i probably do right now.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Dec 29 2012, 5:31pm

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No, we don't know WB's internal expectations and we never will. [In reply to] Can't Post

Studios always try to spin the message in the news, so i would take their press releases with a big grain of salt.

But we do know what LOTR was capable of, and what other big movies do nowadays.

With now 3 movies, expectations for total trilogy gross have of course gone up as well.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Dec 29 2012, 5:41pm)


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Dec 29 2012, 5:38pm

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Yes. Feb. 24 in UK; May 4 in US. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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DanielLB
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Dec 29 2012, 5:42pm

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I can offer my opinion though [In reply to] Can't Post

Which I do. I don't claim to know anything.

Hence why I believe 1/2 billion in 2 weeks is good.

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 29 2012, 5:45pm

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If TH had made one dollar, there would be those who would celebrate it as a rousing success... [In reply to] Can't Post

The matter of the fact is, TH hasn't even crossed the 200 million mark domestically yet...and it certainly isn't doing RotK numbers. It's under-performing, despite any claims to the contrary.

And BTW, these "what did you expect?" comments seem revisionist to me...we'll see where it ends up, but it's certainly not doing what one would expect from a film which highly anticipated, widely marketed and a continuation of a pop culture phenomenon. And yes, it's been nearly a decade since RotK...16 years didn't seem to hurt Star Wars: Episode 1's box office any, and that movie was terrible!

True, Tolkien isn't as omnipresent as SW...but then again, Inception and Avatar were "original" stories, and they made more in the their first weeks.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Dec 29 2012, 5:46pm)


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Dec 29 2012, 5:52pm

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still trucking along [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.boxoffice.com/latest-news/2012-12-14-the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-bags-13-million-at-midnight

Actually just passed 200 million domestically

One thing to remember is this summer WB/MGM pleasantly found it for little added cost there would be 3 movie revenue streams from theatrical releases, theatrical dvd/blu ray releases, 3 EE dvd/blu ray releases. Not to mention the property would be in the public eye longer with greater opportunity to drive revenue through the licensing of toys, collectibles, games and any other licensing.

I am sure the decision for 3 was artistically driven by PJ and co.but it had to be a no brainer for WB/MGM when it only required a little extra cost for a few weeks of additional shooting. I'm sure this was an entirely different and improved revenue model than they originally expected or made their decisions off of.


(This post was edited by BeornBerserker on Dec 29 2012, 6:00pm)


Aragorn the Elfstone
Grey Havens


Dec 29 2012, 5:56pm

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The Hobbit #1 On Friday, Crosses $200 Million [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.deadline.com/...with-les-miserables/

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Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 29 2012, 7:46pm

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Now is the 6th biggest prequel (state side) [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Dec 29 2012, 8:10pm

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It's actually up [In reply to] Can't Post

from last Friday by 7%. It could very well move into eighth for the year by week-end's end.

This Hobbit's got legs.


sharku
Rivendell

Dec 29 2012, 8:20pm

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So how on earth can this trilogy be underperforming from a simple market-economy point of view?!


But they are underperforming in terms of expectations. Ever followed the stock market? Expectations play a big part.


I expected Avatar to make 5 billion, and The Avengers to make 12 billion. They are therefore massive, underperforming flops, in my opinion.

Furthermore, I expected the Hobbit to make $100 million world-wide. Wow - what a massive and unexpected success its been!!

[See how easy, yet specious that was? And who cares if it's right or wrong and based on fellacious assumptions and reported after the event? It is indeed - as you say - just like the stockmarket. Reductio ad absurdum, perhaps, but anyone else, however informed they are, are still just crystal-ball gazing and pulling numbers out of their posterior post hoc.]


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Jim
Rivendell


Dec 29 2012, 8:44pm

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Now $600million Worldwide... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it's going to do better than expected.


Rostron2
Gondor


Dec 29 2012, 10:13pm

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None of this matters [In reply to] Can't Post

Unless of course you work for one of the studios, or own a significant amount of stock in one of the companies. The artisans have already been paid, and unless they are supposed to get profit sharing of some kind, it really doesn't matter. Well, all right, you could argue that if they do extremely well, it helps hasten development on similar types of projects, or maybe someday the Tolkien Estate will release more right to other stories, etc.

The fact that these films got made at all are enough for me. I could care less whether it makes more money than The Dark Knight or even the Rankin Bass version. It's now part of cinematic history for all of us to enjoy.


Arannir
Valinor

Dec 30 2012, 1:36am

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The matter of the fact is, TH hasn't even crossed the 200 million mark domestically yet...and it certainly isn't doing RotK numbers. It's under-performing, despite any claims to the contrary.

And BTW, these "what did you expect?" comments seem revisionist to me...we'll see where it ends up, but it's certainly not doing what one would expect from a film which highly anticipated, widely marketed and a continuation of a pop culture phenomenon. And yes, it's been nearly a decade since RotK...16 years didn't seem to hurt Star Wars: Episode 1's box office any, and that movie was terrible!

True, Tolkien isn't as omnipresent as SW...but then again, Inception and Avatar were "original" stories, and they made more in the their first weeks.




Not sure, but I have the feeling you have not read most of my comments on this issue.


shadowdog
Rohan

Dec 30 2012, 2:44am

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Crossed 200million on day 15; and will go higher as it goes along.

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