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Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 20 2012, 2:19am

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Well, you know what they say [In reply to] Can't Post

Great minds think alike, which must mean our greatness level has decreased somewhat lol

“But Ungoliant went into Beleriand…but whither she went after no tale tells. It is said that she ended long ago, when in her uttermost famine she devoured herself at last.” -Morgoth’s Ring


Annael
Half-elven


Dec 20 2012, 5:00am

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I don't know of anyone [In reply to] Can't Post

who promotes banning guns entirely for law-abiding citizens. It riles me that the NRA spouts that line when that is not at all what "gun control" means. To me it means doing all we can to make sure people will NOT use guns for criminal acts,

But I find that's usually the case with so many issues: most people are actually not that far apart in their thinking and certainly not in what they WANT: reduced crime rates - but the media and the spin doctors thrive on conflict so they portray people as being at polar ends: one side wants to ban guns entirely, and the other side wants everyone to be able to stockpile more weapons in their basements than Norway has in the entire country.

And of course, each side can come up with lots of anecdotal evidence that they're correct to think what they think.

Here's my favorite story: a friend bought a gun after she got divorced so she could protect herself and her two children just in case. But because she had two small children, she kept the gun locked in a gun safe and the bullets hidden somewhere else. One night she heard a noise. She said it took her ten minutes to get the gun out of the safe and loaded, by which time any serious robber (or worse) would have had plenty to time to break in. "I figured my best chance was to throw the gun safe at them," she said. Fortunately there was no intruder. She sold the gun and got two German shepherds instead, and has felt perfectly safe for the last 10 years.Wink

The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.

- James Hillman, Healing Fiction

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 20 2012, 5:06am

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The media is definitely a problem [In reply to] Can't Post

And I agree that everyone wants the same end result, but we do have different ways of getting there. Like I said to imin, I don't think anyone is going to change anyone else's mind. I think this is one of those issues that most people already have a definite opinion on.

Nice story, though! Dogs really can be a great source of protection. Too bad I loathe pets... Crazy

Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Dec 20 2012, 10:27pm

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Please don't make judgments and assumptions [In reply to] Can't Post

based on a few media soundbites about what appears to be a knee-jerk reaction by some. People who develop a sudden interest in gun ownership after big news stories are probably not the best potential owners or operators, IMO, either. They often lack the judgment, training, and confidence of those who buy in times of relative quiet or are raised to be responsible users. But good dealers will strongly encourage them to sign up for training courses, to supplement the instruction they receive when cleared for purchase. Others may be buying now out of concern that they will be unable to do so in the near future, but that's another story and not for here.

One man's semi-automatic sporting rifle is another's "assault rifle". It's a slippery slope in the U.S. and best not discussed here.

There's an assumption, especially outside the U.S., that gun ownership is mainly driven by fear of crime. Being prepared does not necessarily equal fear, and personal protection is only part of it. We do have a large rural population. They're hunters, farmers, and homeowners who may have to deal with dangerously ill wildlife. Some are involved in competitive target shooting. Some are into historical reenactment. Some just hunt to help feed their families, not for fun. Many have military backgrounds and may even be current National Guard members. Many have inherited both weapons and the conviction that a population disarmed cannot fairly defend itself against its rulers. ....Or is it still too soon to bring up that little dispute with a certain king across the pond...or the Scottish rebellions that led to so many of our forefathers coming here in the first place? Our Founding Fathers didn't care much for the Colonial Era version of British gun control, either. ;)

We may hope it never ever becomes necessary again *crosses fingers*, but when corruption, egos and idiotocracy reign supreme in the nation's capital...who knows what could happen? Congress doesn't exactly inspire confidence on either side of the aisle even now. And then there are the scary worries I've heard expressed by officers in the state capital if D.C. doesn't get its act together quickly... :(

I hope to never have to defend myself that way, but I've had armed escorts more than once in my life already. I most definitely did feel safer.

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NABOUF
Not a TORns*b!
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Annael
Half-elven


Dec 20 2012, 10:46pm

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I've had armed escorts more than once in my life already. I most definitely did feel safer.

I considered my dog an "armed escort" - and yes, I felt a whole lot safer when she was on the job.

The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.

- James Hillman, Healing Fiction

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NARF and member of Deplorable Cultus since 1967


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Dec 21 2012, 12:09am

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I can agree with that. [In reply to] Can't Post

My middle-school self would have vastly preferred the dog! As an adult, it wouldn't have been enough, but back then it would have been sufficient and much less annoying. ;)

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NABOUF
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Certified Curmudgeon
Knitting Knerd
NARF: NWtS Chapter Member since June 17,2011


Annael
Half-elven


Dec 21 2012, 4:30pm

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re the evil in the world [In reply to] Can't Post

it's getting better, says this guy.

We're more appalled by it when it happens. Used to be, people accepted this sort of thing as normal.

The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.

- James Hillman, Healing Fiction

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NARF and member of Deplorable Cultus since 1967


Annael
Half-elven


Dec 21 2012, 4:53pm

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Wow. [In reply to] Can't Post

Now I'm curious where it is you live or what it is that makes you in particular need armed guards! I've never been in circumstances that would call for such measures.

The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.

- James Hillman, Healing Fiction

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NARF and member of Deplorable Cultus since 1967


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Dec 21 2012, 6:32pm

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It's not the 'where'. It's me. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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NABOUF
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Certified Curmudgeon
Knitting Knerd
NARF: NWtS Chapter Member since June 17,2011


imin
Valinor


Dec 21 2012, 7:23pm

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Are you the President? [In reply to] Can't Post

*whispers* - go on you can tell me, im good at keeping secrets Tongue


Annael
Half-elven


Dec 22 2012, 3:39pm

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hmm [In reply to] Can't Post

I would hazard that's a mixed blessing?

The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.

- James Hillman, Healing Fiction

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NARF and member of Deplorable Cultus since 1967

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