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Exil Noldor-to Aman or to Tol Eressea?
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:32pm

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Galadriel took an active part in the rebellion, so even mighty Galadriel is tainted.

really never got what Galadriel rebellion was. She left Aman. Thatīs true, but werenīt all free to leave? The Valar said something like, freely you have chosen to come here, freely you can go, but still the ones who didnīt attend the kinslaying were baned. Makes no sense for me.

Galadriel did nothing except leaving Aman. If that is a crime, or reason to be cursed and banned, then Aman would be a jail.


Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:41pm

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Is that quote from Of The Rings Of Power And The Third Age?

If so it could date to before the Waldman letter in any case, generally worded or not.


Of The Rings Of Power And The Third Age (in existence by 1948): 'From the Grey Havens the Eldar ever an anon set sail (...) '... for by the mercy of the Valar the Firstborn could still follow the Straight Road and return, if they would, to their kindred in Eressea and Valinor beyond the encircling seas.' 1977 Silmarillion

Yes, itīs earlier than the Waldmen letter. Frown So again, no proof.

My question would be, WHY did he change his mind about that matter. (if that was his last concept regarding the exils, if we leave ut what he earlier wrote)

First he had the opinion that they could not return to Valinor, or only visit, then it seems they could go where they wanted and then suddenly he again doest want them to go to Valinor without restrictions. And after the Waldmen letter he never again was explicit about that.


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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 9:15pm

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I question Tolkien on why he wanted to make Galadriel 'unstained' and remove her from the Rebellion, for example. I think I know at least part of what his answer might be [JRRT liking comarisons to the Virgin Mary, maybe], but thankfully [with respect to my approach as to what constitutes the 'true' internal story], he had already published description concerning her ban.

It's the much better Galadriel in my opinion, the penitent Rebel.

Sorry, I know none of this answers your question Smile


Ardamírë
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Dec 23 2012, 2:38am

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I'm sure it's less than 100 years. I could get up and get my book, but I'm currently lying on the couch and don't want to get up Shocked

Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!


Nerven
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Dec 23 2012, 12:21pm

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I question Tolkien on why he wanted to make Galadriel 'unstained' and remove her from the Rebellion, for example. I think I know at least part of what his answer might be [JRRT liking comarisons to the Virgin Mary, maybe], but thankfully [with respect to my approach as to what constitutes the 'true' internal story], he had already published description concerning her ban.

It's the much better Galadriel in my opinion, the penitent Rebel.


Yes, he seems to like Galadriel very much, later in his life, so he doesnīt want her anymore to be on the Valar baddies-list. I nevertheless like her later version too, in that she still would be banned.

Didnīt he write anywhere that he doest want there to be resentment between the Valar and Galadriel?


(This post was edited by Nerven on Dec 23 2012, 12:22pm)

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