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Balrog of Moria? Do the swirling flames behind Thorin at what appears to be The East Moria Gate herald a Demon of Might?
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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Dec 2 2012, 11:45pm

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Lacrimae, I was looking over that part of the Appendecies again [In reply to] Can't Post

just for general review and not for argument's sake, but in looking at the part about Azog again, there is little doubt that he was left alone. It speaks of how the last multitude to pour from the gates of Moria were those whom Azog had "held back for last need." They WERE his re-enforcements. They were his last defense, along with his personal guard, held back for a final stand if the rest of the army should fall.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Dec 2 2012, 11:50pm

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Just clarified this for myself. Balin almost certainly thought The Ring (Durin's Ring) was in Moria. [In reply to] Can't Post

The text says that among Thror and Thrain's kin it was believed that Thror had still been wearing the Ring when he went to Moria. Evidently none but Thrain himself knew that The Ring had passed to him, at least until Gandalf found him several years later. Balin would have been among the few to know that Thror had held the Ring, but he also would have believed it went with Thror into Moria and remained there, which explains why (as Gloin later relates) he went seeking it there.

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- spoiled for viewers of FOTR, either.

I do wonder, though, how they'd explain Balin's decision to return to Moria, even after both Thorin and Dain decided against it.



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"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 4 2012, 11:03am

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Absolutely [In reply to] Can't Post

But let's keep the two points separate. The first, in passing, was that Azog was literally the last Orc alive in the vicinity. Whilst this was his last cohort, beyond that is interpretation. In particular we can be happy that Bolg must have been somewhere left alive (unless evacuated to Wales), presumably with some guards etc..

But the main point was entirely hypothetical, not that there were reinforcements, but that there could be and that they would serve a similar purpose to the Balrog in preventing further access to Moria.

LR

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